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Our conscious experiences react to what happens to the brain. This is obvious, never questioned. So why use it as evidence that the brain creates consciousness?
And you have no reason to think consciousness shuts down when the brain is anesthetized or sleeping. As I kept explaining -- the brain has to be awake and functioning for a person to communicate. You don't know if the anesthetized patient is conscious or not. And people very often report hearing conversations while supposedly unconscious under anesthesia.
It is very easy to make these logical mistakes when trying to understand how consciousness relates to the brain. And these errors are part of the foundation of modern materialism.
No. Your logic is wrong. The logical assumption is that consciousness does shut down when unconscious or sleeping. The subconscious takes over with that odd 'dream' phenomena, but even then, I have reason to know, sound can penetrate into the dream and cause the conscious mind to kick in, wake you up, and the mind realises what the sound was.
What's the alternative to explain that? I don't know, and even if you could provide a mechanism it would still logically take second place to the one that explains better.
It's the same with an anaesthetised person. whether they are thought to be conscious or not has nothing to do with any evidence that consciousness is not produced by the brain. You seem to misunderstand the basic logic of the Burden of proof and the principle of parsimony. The only way an extra entity (outside origin of consciousness) is adduced or it is supposed that not having all the answers somehow means that YOUR explanation is the true one, is, I am sure (as it is pretty much par for the course) because you believe (on Faith) that you have the answer that science doesn't.
Our conscious experiences react to what happens to the brain. This is obvious, never questioned. So why use it as evidence that the brain creates consciousness?
And you have no reason to think consciousness shuts down when the brain is anesthetized or sleeping. As I kept explaining -- the brain has to be awake and functioning for a person to communicate. You don't know if the anesthetized patient is conscious or not. And people very often report hearing conversations while supposedly unconscious under anesthesia.
It is very easy to make these logical mistakes when trying to understand how consciousness relates to the brain. And these errors are part of the foundation of modern materialism.
You getting your first sentence wrong is our logical mistake? Your error is the foundation of modern materialism? I bet it is also our fault you ignore the science and make things up?
So you can not define consciousness, hence the inevitable attack.
Still, anything except answering this ...
If we can't give you a specific and detailed answer about something people have wondered about over the ages, that means your wild guess must be correct???
I don't know how you could not know any other theories about consciousness. Maybe you have been too walled off in your little atheist world.
All I asked was for you to give us your definition of the word conscious, since it does not seem to be the accepted definition used by the rest of the English speaking world. Since you have not defined either mind or conscious I can only assume that you are unable to provide definitions for either.
All I asked was for you to give us your definition of the word conscious, since it does not seem to be the accepted definition used by the rest of the English speaking world. Since you have not defined either mind or conscious I can only assume that you are unable to provide definitions for either.
Ok, SuzyQ, there are different kinds of consciousness. Are you conscious when you are dreaming? When you are daydreaming? While in non-REM sleep? When under general anesthesia? How would a researcher know what a person is experiencing?
There have been many reports of surgery patients hearing doctors talk while they were assumed to be unconscious. For example.
Do plants have consciousness? How would we know? Does the universe have consciousness? Well that was the subject of this post. Many people would say yes, but atheist/materialists say no.
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isn't that it?
