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Of course this 'theory' does not tell us why we need to learn instead of just receiving knowledge from this cosmic entity. Or why we had to invent science, mathematics, logic and language in the first place.
Mystic has to invent ad hoc explanations as he goes along to explain away problems as they appear. Notable was when I raised animal 'consciousness' as part of the 'consciousness evolved with life' argument. Mystic then argued that the Universal consciousness is not universal (not to notice, anyway) but clusters about each individual (what I call the 'gnatswarm' theory). This will be seen to be very much in the line of 'take what science can show and then fiddle in God' apologetic. Mystic has consistently denied that this development wasn't invented to get over my objection.
The radio transceiver argument appeared (though it may have been part of the original theory (1) to get over garbled messages from the consciousness. It had to be argued that the human mental organs were not inventing ideas that were just wrong, but the true messages were being garbled by the mental radio - receiver components. And Mystic can't see why I'm laughing at him. And I laugh even louder when he draws himself up, looks down his nose at me and tells me how much better educated he is than I am. And I'm not the only one.
(1) of course i use the term in its' popular synonym for 'hypothesis' or 'just an idea but it goes together with 'Crackpot" like 'cult' and 'looney'.
Of course this 'theory' does not tell us why we need to learn instead of just receiving knowledge from this cosmic entity. Or why we had to invent science, mathematics, logic and language in the first place.
That statement makes no sense. There is no reason to think that we have access to higher levels of intelligence. Our intelligence is limited by the level we inhabit.
Definitely in the plant line. Living fossils, really. Ferns and the like during plants and reptiles taking over the land, flowers and grass appearing in the Jurassic. Only then did insects adapt to feeding off plants and plants adapt to attracting insects for pollination.
It's amazing, and I can see how some would ask 'How could they decide to do that without a Mind having it that way?' But natural selection explains it very well.
Let me explain. If there is some superior universal consciousness working through us, then it must know things we do not. It should already be aware of science and mathematics, so we should not need to invent these tools. This IS what we would expect if our conscious brain was evolving over time.
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There is no reason to think that we have access to higher levels of intelligence.
Nothing to do with what I said, but it does once again leave you in the position of having to answer how you know it is there?
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Originally Posted by Good4Nothin
Our intelligence is limited by the level we inhabit.
So your alleged external consciousness has no ability to improve our intelligence; or to use what we have to let us know it is there, while avoiding the problem of cognitive bias. Why, this is exactly what we would expect if your alleged external consciousness did not exist.
Mystic has to invent ad hoc explanations as he goes along to explain away problems as they appear. Notable was when I raised animal 'consciousness' as part of the 'consciousness evolved with life' argument. Mystic then argued that the Universal consciousness is not universal (not to notice, anyway) but clusters about each individual (what I call the 'gnatswarm' theory). This will be seen to be very much in the line of 'take what science can show and then fiddle in God' apologetic. Mystic has consistently denied that this development wasn't invented to get over my objection.
The radio transceiver argument appeared (though it may have been part of the original theory (1) to get over garbled messages from the consciousness. It had to be argued that the human mental organs were not inventing ideas that were just wrong, but the true messages were being garbled by the mental radio - receiver components. And Mystic can't see why I'm laughing at him. And I laugh even louder when he draws himself up, looks down his nose at me and tells me how much better educated he is than I am. And I'm not the only one.
(1) of course i use the term in its' popular synonym for 'hypothesis' or 'just an idea but it goes together with 'Crackpot" like 'cult' and 'looney'.
That is quite the summary you have written about mystic. I suppose you and him have a lot in common and yrs of bonding friendship.
At least that is what it seems when you speak so personally about him.
And then there is the topic the o.p. put forward.
While reading your response I scratched my head a bit an wondered what sort of preconceived notion of consciousness you are attempting to articulate.
Sort of familiar from an experience standpoint.
I believe there is a pronoun that describes what you have displayed.
Who says?
And by what measure are they classified.
If I recall correctly a majority of plant[species] isolate carbon dioxide and produce oxygen as a by product.
Do fungi and algae share the same attributes.
Then while you search for an answer.
Are these two examples of plants more or less evolved than say Trees.
Then there is a whole other realm to be explored that the fossil record will never offer an explanation to this question.
Something I loved about science(biology) as a youth is that there is so much not said.
It was after all one of my first classrooms.
The wonder and awe of creation still warms my heart when exploring the architectural genius that Life has to offer.
How about yourself?
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This has been studied for at least 20 years now.