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Old 10-26-2018, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Oh yes it is



If you take non -tender £coins... but the Omega is Eusebius debate has been going on. I'm sure, but willing to be convinced that he ain't.

I'm convinced they're two different people. Different writing styles and probably a 20+-point difference in IQs. All they share is an obdurate insistence on being wrong.

 
Old 10-26-2018, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Germany
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Oh yes it is



If you take non -tender £coins... but the Omega is Eusebius debate has been going on. I'm sure, but willing to be convinced that he ain't.
They both have a different value for X. And I am not saying what X is because they both have a right to being unknown on the internet.
 
Old 10-26-2018, 10:24 AM
 
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I know all that which makes no difference to the peer -reviewed and discussed and checked and duplicated science that science accepts, not just governments and corporations who know what results they want.

Don't let yourself be misled by those who point to irrelevant limitations or aberrations. Science -fiddling corportations have more in common with creation 'science' than with the peer - reviewed science that is somewhat more credible.

And in the end it beats the guesswork of religious myth, and even that beats someone who can't even come up with a decent myth.



It is the same and doesn't alter the argument. You appear to accept the 'change' whether induced by humans in animals or plants, or by natural (so to speak - not done with intent) conditions like the pepper moth or the Galapagos animals though there the change was Observed retrospectively. Nobody saw it happen, but it evidently happened.

Evidently it happened in the past with the Cetans, horses and feathered dinosaurs. There is No Valid Difference.
Variations within the existing potential of a species is what has been observed, and created. Nothing new, nothing not already within the potential of a species, has been created in this way.
 
Old 10-26-2018, 10:25 AM
 
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I give up. G4N is impervious to reason, and every exchange is a variation on a nuanced, supported point, which results in G4N responding with “nuh uh!”
Give up. You don't have a rational argument. All you can do is repeat the materialist myths.
 
Old 10-26-2018, 10:31 AM
 
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He is conscious if he can be awakened. Being asleep is not the same as being unconscious. The definition again, since you are ignoring it and refusing to provide your own definition.:

https://www.verywellhealth.com/level...usness-1132154

"Normal Level of Consciousness
According to medical definitions, a normal level of consciousness means that a person is either awake or can be readily awakened from normal sleep.

Consciousness identifies a state in which a patient is awake, aware, alert and responsive to stimuli.
Unconsciousness identifies a state in which a patient has a deficit in awareness and responsiveness to stimuli (touch, light, sound). A person who is sleeping would not be considered unconscious, however, if waking up would result in normal consciousness."

Let is take the verywellhealth website as our authority on the definition of consciousness.
 
Old 10-26-2018, 10:33 AM
 
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Do you trust science when you ride in a motor vehicle? Cross a bridge? Fly in an airplane? Use your computer?

Technology is a tool for advancing scientific knowledge. Just look at what the Hubble telescope has literally shown us about the universe.

Technology advances scientific knowledge. That's what I said. You are very confused.
 
Old 10-26-2018, 10:35 AM
 
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The reason no one can observe speciation in mammals is because it takes so long to happen.
Yes that is the excuse. But artificial selection of species with short lifespans doesn't create new species either.
 
Old 10-26-2018, 10:36 AM
 
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How is the peppered moth not evidence of evolution in response to natural selection?
I explained that. Light or dark color is already within the potential of the species, and the environment brings out one or the other. Nothing new is created. Adaptation and evolution are not the same.
 
Old 10-26-2018, 10:40 AM
 
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Creationist BS. Macro evolution is just a matter of degree, and is observed in the fossil record as well as the genome of different genera within the family.



So what is this mechanism that stops the observed differences in the genome from growing even wider? Because if you can not give us a scientific reason, then there is every reason to accept micro to macro considering the fossil and genetic record that we have.
Evolution is turning out to be much more complicated than was assumed in the mid 20th century. We now have reasons to think DNA can respond to changes in the organism and environment. We know for certain this is true with epigenetic changes. A lot more needs to be discovered.

The idea that random genetic changes and natural selection completely account for evolution is already out of date.
 
Old 10-26-2018, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Technology advances scientific knowledge. That's what I said. You are very confused.
It appears you are the one who is confused. You said

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The great advances in technology don't reflect great advances in scientific understanding.
You cannot have it both ways.
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