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The above "quote from Jesus" is found in John 14:17. The Gospel According to John was written near the beginning of the second century, 60-70 years after Jesus was executed, by an individual that almost certainly never met Jesus.
And was still being written around 100 years later, when chapter 21 was added.
well, it may be nonsense to you. but what about the believer who chooses to believe because he is endowed with the individual freedom to believe. only autocrats who think they are intellectually superior seem to condemn those with such beliefs.
And now back to reality.
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Originally Posted by spiros7
my rebuttal to non- tolerant secularists is this: nobody can prove or disprove the possibilty of a creator
Why focus on non- tolerant secularists (otherwise known as people who disagree with you)? The evidence applies to tolerant secularists as well.
Do intelligent beings exist for no reason? No. That makes a creator the least probable answer possible, so we have no reason to believe.
Do you have any evidence of this improbable creator? If not, you are logically and mathematically most probably wrong, and we have no reason to believe.
[quote=Harry Diogenes;53398876]And now back to reality.
Why focus on non- tolerant secularists (otherwise known as people who disagree with you)? The evidence applies to tolerant secularists as well.
Do intelligent beings exist for no reason? No. That makes a creator the least probable answer possible, so we have no reason to believe.
Do you have any evidence of this improbable creator? If not, you are logically and mathematically most probably wrong, and we have no reason to believe.[/QUOte
this is a country that condones religious freedom; therefore, people have a right to believe in ghosts, talking spoons or nothing. i am happy that people disagree with my beliefs because that assures that our individual freedom is still condoned. i dont convert people. but i believe what i developed to believe
Why focus on non- tolerant secularists (otherwise known as people who disagree with you)? The evidence applies to tolerant secularists as well.
Do intelligent beings exist for no reason? No. That makes a creator the least probable answer possible, so we have no reason to believe.
Do you have any evidence of this improbable creator? If not, you are logically and mathematically most probably wrong, and we have no reason to believe.
this is a country that condones religious freedom; therefore, people have a right to believe in ghosts, talking spoons or simply this: nothing. i am happy that people disagree with my beliefs because that assures that our individual freedom is still condoned. i dont convert people. but i believe what i developed to believe
"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this. These subtilised interpretations are highly manifold according to their nature and have almost nothing to do with the original text. For me the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions." -- Albert Einstein, written in 1954 to Jewish philosopher Erik Gutkind. Think Einstein believed in God? You probably haven’t read this letter he wrote in 1954 – DeadState
"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this. These subtilised interpretations are highly manifold according to their nature and have almost nothing to do with the original text. For me the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions." -- Albert Einstein, written in 1954 to Jewish philosopher Erik Gutkind. Think Einstein believed in God? You probably haven’t read this letter he wrote in 1954 – DeadState
as a person who believes in a creator, i am fine to be classified as a weak subjective minded person who believes in fairy tales
i love everybody---jews, muslims, gays, blacks, conservatives, hindus, atheist, secularist
That's great because that's what the adults here are going to do predominantly through this thread.
Geniuses are not always open to diverse worldviews.
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