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Old 10-18-2018, 02:11 PM
 
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being bored in atlantic city, i went to a gypsy psychic for fun . the table vibrated, lights were flashing and the psychic advised me to play craps because the universe wanted to reward me for playing number 9. i supposedly had an opportunity to be rich. as i walking into the casino, a man fell down the stairs toward the exit. this is a true story
Some weak subjective minded people who believe in fairy tales are impressed by vibrating tables, and flashing lights (and that sort of thing). You have just described the religious in a nutshell.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kkgccLG1Gg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVG1x-rh6FE
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Old 10-18-2018, 02:13 PM
 
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And you have every right to REMAIN a weak subjective minded person who believes in fairy tales if that is what you prefer. But one should reasonably expect to have it pointed out to them when they choose to visit a website dedicated to the open consideration of ideas that they are a weak subjective minded person who believes in fairy tales if the charge appears to apply.

It should also be pointed out that the majority of the people in the world once believed that the earth is flat (some still make that claim, in fact) and is the center of all creation. But you see, reality is whatever it is, and is not dependant on popular opinion. Statistically, religious belief is rapidly eroding away in the well educated countries of the world.



Non belief in a religion has been rising at a rate of about 1% per year since the beginning of this century in the US. Statistically, non believers will be in the majority in the US by the middle of this century. Will the fact that they are in the minority change the minds of weak subjective minded people who prefer to believe in fairy tales? Probably not.
i have to say that i am envious of how detailed and infornative your above message is . i appreciate both the data and statistics. as for me, i dont wish to convert anybody to any particular ideology. hence,this trend of decline does not trigger me to worry about the future of belief. afterall, i am not one who is seeking funding to prolong a salary. philosphy, however, will always remain. i am not worried ot concerned. politically, i believe in seperation of church and statr

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Old 10-18-2018, 02:21 PM
 
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i have to say that i am envious of how detailed and infornative your above message is . i appreciate both the data and statistics. as for me, i dont wish to convert anybody to any particular ideology. so this trend of decline does not trigger me to worry about the future of belief. afterall, i am not one who is seeking funding to prolong a salary. philosphy, however, will always remain. i am not worried ot concerned. politically, i believe in seperation of church and statr
Everyone is not diverse and thus sharing various viewpoints can be threatening, no matter how benign the views may be. At least you always know someone somewhere cares what you think.
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Old 10-18-2018, 02:43 PM
 
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i have to say that i am envious of how detailed and infornative your above message is . i appreciate both the data and statistics. as for me, i dont wish to convert anybody to any particular ideology. so this trend of decline does not trigger me to worry about the future of belief. afterall, i am not one who is seeking funding to prolong a salary. philosphy, however, will always remain. i am not worried ot concerned. politically, i believe in seperation of church and statr
Most believers in the world have been conditioned from birth to believe in a specific religious doctrine, or a specific view of reality, whether that be Christianity, or Islam, or Hinduism, or some other religious belief. For most of these people, the possibility that the worldview of their upbringing might be utter nonsense is unthinkable, because they literally have never been allowed to consider it a possibility. But there are always some who actually PREFER analytical thinking to being told what to think by others. In the US at least, we live in a country where we have the freedom to make up our own minds without being subjected to being killed in horrible ways for choosing NOT to subscribe to majority opinion. That was not always the case. In some cultures even today, dissent from majority opinion can still bring the death penalty.

What ancient peoples did not understand they made up reasons for. Gods and goddesses, elves, fairies, and the like. Whatever served to answer questions for which no obvious answer was readily apparent. This was the old "Make it up and declare it to be true" method of attempting to acquire knowledge. It really had no practical value, other than to seemingly provide answers. Answers which had absolutely nothing to do with what was actually going on. Many people today still operate this way, applying made up solutions to questions they don't otherwise understand. Which is a shame, because the actual answers are most often readily available now, so make believe is no longer necessary. We have learned, through trial and error, that the empirical method for accumulating genuine knowledge far surpasses the old "make it up and declare it to be true" method. The empirical method entails close observation, much experimentation and direct experience, resulting in detailed conclusions that allow for the same results to be reached repeatedly. It requires that the results, when discovered, be accepted at face value even to the extent of completely abandoning centuries of make believe. This sort of research has also led us rather inextricably to the conclusion that EVERYTHING THAT OCCURS DOES SO FOR NATURAL REASONS which can be understood and even utilized for our advantage. Which is how we acquired modern technology, and why are no longer living in mud huts.
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Old 10-18-2018, 03:24 PM
 
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my rebuttal to non- tolerant secularists is this: nobody can prove or disprove the possibilty of a creator
I should have addressed this question earlier by pointing out that no one can prove or disprove the possibility of the existence of Santa Claus either. It is possible to notice that in reality reindeer are incapable of flying in much the same way that a corpse is incapable of coming back to life and flying away, however. Unless, of course, one chooses to subscribe to magic/the supernatural. In other words, make believe.
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Old 10-18-2018, 04:09 PM
 
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People who engage with new age will only attract demons of familiar spirit, occult spirits and fallen angels will seal the practice on their lives ...... Even transcendental meditation will attract gland disruptor demons ....... The living God through Jesus Christ is not there in new age practice as these spirits are alien to God ...
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Old 10-18-2018, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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People who engage with new age will only attract demons of familiar spirit, occult spirits and fallen angels will seal the practice on their lives ...... Even transcendental meditation will attract gland disruptor demons ....... The living God through Jesus Christ is not there in new age practice as these spirits are alien to God ...
My goodness I love your sense of humor.
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Old 10-18-2018, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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Yes, no one can prove or disprove the existence of a creator. What we can and should do is use common sense and honest interpretation of our reality and evidence. As a former Christian for decades, I did not do this, but just followed the herd. Once I had the courage and honest desire to know the truth, it was not hard to see the truth.

It is one thing for those of any religion to honestly admit they are practicing spirituality through faith, yet another to make factual claims of a creator and expect others to live by their morals. It is typical of most Christians to cherrypick their religious text/book and completely ignore its absurdities and give ridiculous interpretations of it to attempt to hide its true meaning.

I haven’t wasted my time with new age religions, but I do like some New Age music for relaxation.
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Old 10-18-2018, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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"It is one thing for those of any religion to honestly admit they are practicing spirituality through faith, yet another to make factual claims of a creator and expect others to live by their morals. It is typical of most Christians to cherrypick their religious text/book and completely ignore its absurdities and give ridiculous interpretations of it to attempt to hide its true meaning."

Good capsule of common practice
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Old 10-18-2018, 06:18 PM
 
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"It is one thing for those of any religion to honestly admit they are practicing spirituality through faith, yet another to make factual claims of a creator and expect others to live by their morals. It is typical of most Christians to cherrypick their religious text/book and completely ignore its absurdities and give ridiculous interpretations of it to attempt to hide its true meaning."

Good capsule of common practice
Agreed.
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