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It's funny when I first joined the forum, some of the members repeatedly posted how they just wanted to be left alone! absent of any religion! However, to accomplish this seemed to require them to log on to their computers daily and purposely go to the religious category to complain about being bothered about religion...so, it's not a simple desire to be left alone... they would like for others to abandon their belief system and adapt whatever their worldview entails, thus the insults.
I don't think it's a matter of getting others to abandon their belief systems. It's more a matter of not allowing a certain segment of believers dictate policy in a country with a lot of nukes.
If you actually believe whatever you are peddling/hanging a shingle is true, you are not a phony nor a faker.
Several things made me do a face-palm with this guy
First, while he professed to know everything, and he DID profess to know everything, he was living on the verge of bankruptcy. Guess he did not know really know about money, or did not care.
Second he was a recovering alcoholic and drug addict who had replaced his beer addiction with non-alcoholic beer (you know O'Douls?)...which he drank 5 to 6 cans impulsive every night. And I observed what I was trained to notice as impulsive behavior.
And third, was his statement as to why he would not to discuss philosophy, life, religion or anything with me...as he said "I already know everything and you know nothing so there is nothing you can teach me or tell me that I don't already know"
Of course my response was the same as for any religious nutcase I meet who has that attitude....I directed him to go engage in unlawful carnal knowledge with himself.
And, of course, all the evidence, the spiritual experiences people have had in all times and places -- all those are hallucinations. The brain creates the same kinds of elaborate hallucinations in millions of different individuals from different cultures and times.
It's nice that you have that all-purpose argument. You don't have to think or look at anything that conflicts with your materialism.
So therefore, you're endorsing Buddhism, Sikhism, Hindusim, and virtually every other religion in the world, since people in those religions also have spiritual experiences.
Isn't the point that they experience Not being left alone by religion and they are never going to be left alone until religion is pushed out of society into whatever little religious clubhouses they want to have.
The only way that is going to happen is to change public perception and those 'members' are doing their bit here.It isn't as much as those spiffing vids and the TV shows that some atheists are doing, but we are not all Movers and Shakers.
I think you stated before that if nothing else the atheist can at least deny theist a 'springboard' for their beliefs...this sometimes may appear as trolling, but it's really denying the theist a springboard.
I don't think it's a matter of getting others to abandon their belief systems. It's more a matter of not allowing a certain segment of believers dictate policy in a country with a lot of nukes.
The Billy Graham types are long gone, the U.S.'s religion is money.
Several things made me do a face-palm with this guy
First, while he professed to know everything, and he DID profess to know everything, he was living on the verge of bankruptcy. Guess he did not know really know about money, or did not care.
Second he was a recovering alcoholic and drug addict who had replaced his beer addiction with non-alcoholic beer (you know O'Douls?)...which he drank 5 to 6 cans impulsive every night. And I observed what I was trained to notice as impulsive behavior.
And third, was his statement as to why he would not to discuss philosophy, life, religion or anything with me...as he said "I already know everything and you know nothing so there is nothing you can teach me or tell me that I don't already know"
Of course my response was the same as for any religious nutcase I meet who has that attitude....I directed him to go engage in unlawful carnal knowledge with himself.
And, of course, all the evidence, the spiritual experiences people have had in all times and places -- all those are hallucinations. The brain creates the same kinds of elaborate hallucinations in millions of different individuals from different cultures and times.
It's nice that you have that all-purpose argument. You don't have to think or look at anything that conflicts with your materialism.
Sorry, I didn't realize that "evidence" was an "all-purpose argument." I viewed it more as a basic requirement for rational conclusions to be drawn.
"Spiritual experiences" that are experienced by a single individual, and experienced differently by every one who claims them do not constitute evidence. I don't know if they are hallucinations, wishful thinking, self-fulfilling prophecy, or alternate states. But if they are personal anecdotes with nothing to back them up, they do not constitute evidence. Any more than "My uncle Fred smoked every day and lived until he was 96"... is evidence that smoking must be good for you.
If that makes me a materialist (with all the negative connotations that seems to carry for you), I can live with it.
It's funny when I first joined the forum, some of the members repeatedly posted how they just wanted to be left alone! absent of any religion! However, to accomplish this seemed to require them to log on to their computers daily and purposely go to the religious category to complain about being bothered about religion...so, it's not a simple desire to be left alone... they would like for others to abandon their belief system and adapt whatever their worldview entails, thus the insults.
I think you are missing something. If these people did not log on to their computers, they would still be bothered by religion. From 9/11 to religious bigotry to creationism to the attempt to get more religion into politics, etc.
And, of course, all the evidence, the spiritual experiences people have had in all times and places -- all those are hallucinations. The brain creates the same kinds of elaborate hallucinations in millions of different individuals from different cultures and times.
And by same kind you mean contradictory. That is why spiritual experiences are not credible evidence, because of something know to science as cognitive bias.
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Originally Posted by Good4Nothin
It's nice that you have that all-purpose argument. You don't have to think or look at anything that conflicts with your materialism.
And there is the straw man while you have to ignore everything because you have no evidence for your position.
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