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Old 05-08-2008, 06:48 PM
 
Location: among the chaos
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Love is wonderful, anyone who has experienced love would know that.
But love is a feeling, an emotion, a condition, not an object. Love has no dimensions, no height, width, nor weight. Therefore love cannot be measured. Love does not occupy space.
Thanks for that clarification.
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Old 05-08-2008, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in the middle
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I just love christian expressions, they're so ridiculously absurd!
My heart doesn't have any eyes, my eyes are in my head. Where are your eyes?
Opening my heart would mean to cut thru my chest, pry the ribs apart, and then open the heart. This must be awfully painful, especially for a do-it-yourself project. If my heart needs to be opened I'd rather leave this to a qualified heart surgeon.
Please tell me you're being sarcastic and that you really don't always take things so literally. If someone tells you that it's raining cats and dogs outside do you look out the window expecting to see Fido and Fluffy landing in your yard? I'm quite sure Junos was suggesting that you should allow your brain to think outside the realm of time and space and be open to the possibility of the existance of God. And if you're willing to do that, God just might decide to reveal Himself to you in such a way that you would no longer be able to deny His existance (Junos please correct me if I misunderstood what you meant in your post).
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Old 05-08-2008, 08:56 PM
 
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Please tell me you're being sarcastic and that you really don't always take things so literally. If someone tells you that it's raining cats and dogs outside do you look out the window expecting to see Fido and Fluffy landing in your yard? I'm quite sure Junos was suggesting that you should allow your brain to think outside the realm of time and space and be open to the possibility of the existance of God. And if you're willing to do that, God just might decide to reveal Himself to you in such a way that you would no longer be able to deny His existance (Junos please correct me if I misunderstood what you meant in your post).
I like the part of Fido and Fluffy landing in the yard.
It's not the first time I've heart that the heart has eyes, or ears, that one should see or hear with the heart. I work on many art projects. One cartoon I've drawn deals with this theme of the heart.
The existence or not of god means everything. If I wanted to learn a computer program I would appreciate a manual that states things specifically without any vagueness or metaphors. That means taking it literally. Same could be said for textbooks of any kind, geology, astronomy, medicine, law, ect. Anything instructional should be stated clearly, exactly, and briefly.
It's fine that poets and songwriters use metaphors, but anything that is super important should be clearly stated, otherwise it leads to confusion. How would you like to have a kitchen fire, grab the extinguisher to read the instructions, and discover you have to decipher the metaphors?
I like philosophy written by philosophers, because most of them make statements and then explain them as clearly as possible.
For me thinking out of the box is to be open to everything without wanting to see or hear something I've been told to see or hear as the objective. If I was to seek god as an objective my mind would not be open, but narrowed and confined, and possibly desperate enough to "see" or "hear" something that does not exist; emotional satisfaction triumphs over the intellect.
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Old 05-08-2008, 10:30 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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Love is wonderful, anyone who has experienced love would know that.
But love is a feeling, an emotion, a condition, not an object. Love has no dimensions, no height, width, nor weight. Therefore love cannot be measured. Love does not occupy space.
Love not only occupies space, it is the reason for it. Without love, everything else counts as nothing.

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 05-08-2008, 10:55 PM
 
Location: USA
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Love not only occupies space, it is the reason for it. Without love, everything else counts as nothing.

godspeed,

freedom

There is no meaning to life or existence. We exist, just as some cloud of nebulous dust in the universe. We are born, live, toil, struggle, and die, like the stars do. Does that have meaning or a purpose? No...you can assign one though if it makes you feel better.
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Old 05-08-2008, 11:02 PM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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There is no meaning to life or existence. We exist, just as some cloud of nebulous dust in the universe. We are born, live, toil, struggle, and die, like the stars do. Does that have meaning or a purpose? No...you can assign one though if it makes you feel better.
Be that as it may, but life without love would certainly be meaningless.
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Old 05-09-2008, 01:20 AM
 
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There is no meaning to life or existence. We exist, just as some cloud of nebulous dust in the universe. We are born, live, toil, struggle, and die, like the stars do. Does that have meaning or a purpose? No...you can assign one though if it makes you feel better.
I mean no offense by this, but if you truly and honestly feel that way, why not just go on with it? Life IS MEANING. The reason for life and existence are found within yourself. Look deep enough and you will find it............
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Old 05-09-2008, 04:32 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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I don't believe in love. Never seen it, or experienced it.
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Old 05-09-2008, 05:10 AM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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I don't believe in love. Never seen it, or experienced it.
I truly feel sorry if you've never experienced love.
The thing is that love is hard to explain if you've never experienced it before.
Usually children feel loved by their parents.
If the parent (or guardian) does not love the child, children generally tend to grow up in a cold hard world.
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Old 05-09-2008, 07:42 AM
 
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Originally Posted by TKramar I truly feel sorry if you've never experienced love.
The thing is that love is hard to explain if you've never experienced it before.
Usually children feel loved by their parents.
If the parent (or guardian) does not love the child, children generally tend to grow up in a cold hard world.
The sad reality of the world for which no diety can compensate.
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