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That is not how it seems to me at all. I don't visit the religious forums much and I have also mostly stopped perusing the Atheist forum. But just seeing the vitriol from atheists and their determined opposition and to anything that even faintly suggests spirituality and belief on this R&S general forum is quite disturbing.
The vitriol is returning the favor. As for determined opposition, it is not our fault your (plural) arguments are bad.
I find the amount of non-spiritual spirituality quiet disturbing.
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There really is no reason for them to stray outside the atheist forum and discuss atheism, and yet here they are everyday arguing endlessly about belief.
Of course there is. Atheism is a response to religious claims. What do you want us to argue about, cabbages?
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They strongly believe there are readers out there who may be helped by this discourse and can be helped by disabusing them of belief.
Just as you believe the same for the religious and spiritual.
The vitriol is returning the favor. As for determined opposition, it is not our fault your (plural) arguments are bad.
I find the amount of non-spiritual spirituality quiet disturbing.
Of course there is. Atheism is a response to religious claims. What do you want us to argue about, cabbages?
Just as you believe the same for the religious and spiritual.
In the name of this atheist's health, time for me to sign off now, but as I do I wonder whether atheism is a response to religious claims. I am an atheist, because I've not been able to recognize any evidence a god exists, regardless of religious claims. In other words, regardless of religious claims, I'd still be an atheist. Perhaps yet another case of semantics, but let me think if I can come up with another example to better explain, and/or to consider this question a bit further.
In the name of this atheist's health, time for me to sign off now, but as I do I wonder whether atheism is a response to religious claims. I am an atheist, because I've not been able to recognize any evidence a god exists, regardless of religious claims.
Except the claim gods exist is a religious claim.
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In other words, regardless of religious claims, I'd still be an atheist.
True, but you would not be aware of it, just as you are not aware of being an a_circle_with_corners_ist, until someone claims circles have corners. You are a*, where * is the many, many, many things you do not believe in.
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Perhaps yet another case of semantics, but let me think if I can come up with another example to better explain, and/or to consider this question a bit further.
Maybe tomorrow...
Maybe, but the taxman is apparently desperate for my money, so maybe not.
That is not how it seems to me at all. I don't visit the religious forums much and I have also mostly stopped perusing the Atheist forum. But just seeing the vitriol from atheists and their determined opposition and to anything that even faintly suggests spirituality and belief on this R&S general forum is quite disturbing. There really is no reason for them to stray outside the atheist forum and discuss atheism, and yet here they are everyday arguing endlessly about belief. They strongly believe there are readers out there who may be helped by this discourse and can be helped by disabusing them of belief.
We must not be reading the same posts obviously.
In any case why do they care so much about what people think of them? Is it possible to climb into other people's heads and know what they think and then keep them from thinking that? That itself seems a negative psychological functioning not conducive to well-being.
I want to add I am not dictating what and where atheists should post, they have every right to post whatever and wherever this site allows them to do so. Of course.
I think it's a ploy or an extension of the superego to claim the average person is somehow concerned with another's thoughts. Yes, people are concerned when someone's thoughts are harmful, but that's about it.
The problem is that some people believe your acceptance of your belief system is a rejection of their belief. For example, someone's school of thought may state you are a genetically inferior person and that you may not willingly accept your inferior status due to religious beliefs.
I eat extremely well, and have went on multiple times with only raw vegetables and fruits for a week straight. I exercise with aerobics, calisthenics, and jogging. I use to play soccer. I take my boys in a stroller down the bike path all the time and I have a peloton. I stay very fit and trim.
Mental health I suffer from anxiety issues, but I do okay at managing it mostly.
I eat extremely well, and have went on multiple times with only raw vegetables and fruits for a week straight. I exercise with aerobics, calisthenics, and jogging. I use to play soccer. I take my boys in a stroller down the bike path all the time and I have a peloton. I stay very fit and trim.
Mental health I suffer from anxiety issues, but I do okay at managing it mostly.
Anxiety is the normal human state
I would say managing anxiety is the purpose of life.
I think it's a ploy or an extension of the superego to claim the average person is somehow concerned with another's thoughts. Yes, people are concerned when someone's thoughts are harmful, but that's about it.
The problem is that some people believe your acceptance of your belief system is a rejection of their belief. For example, someone's school of thought may state you are a genetically inferior person and that you may not willingly accept your inferior status due to religious beliefs.
Ok then. That is totally screwed up thinking, and is deeply harmful to the health of society.
Anxiety is the normal human state
I would say managing anxiety is the purpose of life.
It sounds like QuakerBaker has clinical anxiety, which is not the normal human state and requires additional levels of intervention (and QB: I say that to be supportive, not critical; I’ve gone through the same thing).
It sounds like QuakerBaker has clinical anxiety, which is not the normal human state and requires additional levels of intervention (and QB: I say that to be supportive, not critical; I’ve gone through the same thing).
True, but you would not be aware of it, just as you are not aware of being an a_circle_with_corners_ist, until someone claims circles have corners. You are a*, where * is the many, many, many things you do not believe in.
Maybe, but the taxman is apparently desperate for my money, so maybe not.
Hmmm...
Why would I not be aware there is no evidence a god exists without religion? Say for example there was no religion and someone came up to me and suggested there was a god. Why would I not be an atheist in that case just like now?
If I believe the earth to be round, does this make me a non-flat-earther? If I know the difference between a circle and a square, does this mean other than I know the difference between a circle and a square? If I expect life to go on into the future or for as long as I live, does this make me a non-believer in the apocolypse?
Perhaps yes from one point of view. Especially from the point of view of a flat-earther, or someone who doesn't know geometry or believes in the apocolypse, but simple observations and recognitions such as these don't always necessarily mean we are anything other than aware of these simple observations and recognitions. Or that we are defined by those who are not similarly aware.
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