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You and Tzap seem to have trouble with understanding the post Tzap responded to.
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Originally Posted by phetaroi
I agree. Nuance was hardly the issue.
Apparently, You both think that the mountain is our human BELIEFS about the mountain. You are very confused if you think what we mere humans believe actually determines what Reality IS! I see little comprehension of nuance in your posts.
there are different types of music (opera, jazz, country, classical) which sound different and go by different names. But they are all music. There are different paths of religion which sound different and go by different names. But they all recognize the sacred. "music" is one word one mountain, with different types of music the different paths. "sacred" is one word one mountain, with different religions the different paths.
I was hoping we might go awhile longer before we got back to this badly abused music analogy...
But I happen to be reading a book about the history of the Beatles right now, and I'm into the chapters about how John Lennon got obsessed with Yoko Ono, and how Yoko tried to impose her version of music, singing, on the other Beatles. Needless to say, they all didn't think the noise Yoko was making was music like she seemed to think.
I suppose we can all consider any noise to be "music" if we choose another version of "anything goes," but I think with music, just like the different paths of religion, there is a basic level of discernment typically applied that begins to distinguish what is really music and what is not. What is really a path to "enlightenment" or truth and what is not.
Not that anyone who wants to argue any noise can be music or any path worthy can't easily do so, I'm not one of those people. I tend to fall more into the discernment camp, and if others want to listen to nails scratching a chock board as if it's music, that's all good and fine for them but for me, no thank you.
Apparently, You both think that the mountain is our human BELIEFS about the mountain. You are very confused if you think what we mere humans believe actually determines what Reality IS! I see little comprehension of nuance in your posts.
If you believe what we mere humans believe doesn't actually determine what reality is (though often with some I tend to agree), then perhaps you should practice more of what you preach with respect to your comprehension as well!
Apparently, You both think that the mountain is our human BELIEFS about the mountain. You are very confused if you think what we mere humans believe actually determines what Reality IS! I see little comprehension of nuance in your posts.
What is Religion? It is the number one tool Satan uses to get folks damned to Hell. Remember it is Christ who damns you, not Satan. Satan is a master at what he does.
Just look at the false damnable doctrines being spewed from modern Pastors right from the Pulpit. The best tactic the Devil has.
They even have folks believing Grace is unconditional forgiveness. Folks live any way they like until death. Then the Surprise Hell Package with a fixed future for all eternity. Even worse these folks know everything and will not even listen to anything. Sealed in their SIN.
I was hoping we might go awhile longer before we got back to this badly abused music analogy...
But I happen to be reading a book about the history of the Beatles right now, and I'm into the chapters about how John Lennon got obsessed with Yoko Ono, and how Yoko tried to impose her version of music, singing, on the other Beatles. Needless to say, they all didn't think the noise Yoko was making was music like she seemed to think.
I suppose we can all consider any noise to be "music" if we choose another version of "anything goes," but I think with music, just like the different paths of religion, there is a basic level of discernment typically applied that begins to distinguish what is really music and what is not. What is really a path to "enlightenment" or truth and what is not.
Not that anyone who wants to argue any noise can be music or any path worthy can't easily do so, I'm not one of those people. I tend to fall more into the discernment camp, and if others want to listen to nails scratching a chock board as if it's music, that's all good and fine for them but for me, no thank you.
The "music" analogy is on point and excellent. Always has been. Which is why you all don't like it.
I'll add in the analogy I always use ...that I know you all love so much:
Again...we have the few that are blind, busting on & interrogating the majority sighted...on the basis that they can't see what the sighted are able to.
And since the sighted note different things they are looking at (even though they are all looking at the same Universe), and they are unable to make the blind able to see...the blind claim they are "making it up in their head" and/or "lying" when they tell of what they behold.
The blind are rare, and have my sympathy...I keep them in my best thoughts.
if the analogy does not make sense to some, then it is because they lack the understanding of what the analogy shows and explains and represents.
We understanding of what the analogy shows and explains and represents, we also understand the flaw in it. The blind do not see that flaw.
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