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But I don't understand in what way "the Talmud is given precedence over the Torah". There is one case in which one could say that (though it is inexact) but I don't know in what other sense any Jew would say that the Talmud is given precedence.
I figure it comes down to what you look too first.
I figure it comes down to what you look too first.
that all depends on what I'm looking for. For some things, we go to codes of law, for others, biblical verses and for some, a series of conversations to develop an idea. None takes precedence though.
And yet Leviticus says that the person can achieve atonement through flour and without blood. Insisting that blood HAS to be shed is therefore wrong.
No such thing as no blood being required to atone for sins no matter how often you deny it.
Even if a person could not afford an animal to sacrifice---there had to be blood used by the priests.
Leviticus 17:11
For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for your souls upon the altar; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.
Ezekiel 43:18
Then He said to me: "Son of man, this is what the Lord GOD says: 'These are the statutes for the altar on the day it is constructed, so that burnt offerings may be sacrificed on it and blood may be sprinkled on it:
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This process was established in the desert and continued before and during the temples' existences.
Sacrificing animals to God was done in the Adam and Eve days, and even by Noah in the Ark.
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Certainly it existed as it dates back to Sinai. Jesus, himself, endorsed it by telling people to listen to the teachings of the Pharisees, and the Pharisees taught the talmud.
The talmud did not exist yet.
Give the word 'talmud' in the Bible.
The talmud is the writing of the Jews rabbis' and how they explain the Old Testament, thus making new rules and regulations not in the the Old Testament---not according to the Christian Bible.
I don't go go the teachings of those who call themselves "rabbis", nor do I go by anyone who calls themselves "Father", or "Teacher".
I go by Jesus and the scriptures from Genesis to Malachi to Matthew to Revelation---as taught to me by Jesus himself.
God hasn't spoken through the prophets to the Jews since Jesus. Jesus is the last Prophet we have from God.
All were bound to the same place---the faithless Jews with the disobedient Gentiles.
All have to get reconciled to God through Jesus---the Gentiles and the Jews.
So you haven't studied the talmud or read the references I gave. Understood -- maybe learning things that require you rethink your dogma makes you uncomfortable.
The talmud didn't exist until after Jesus. It is just a compilation of Jewish rabbis giving their thoughts and beliefs on the Old Testament.
Just like the Qur'an, it speaks of Jesus too, but not as the Bible does.
that all depends on what I'm looking for. For some things, we go to codes of law, for others, biblical verses and for some, a series of conversations to develop an idea. None takes precedence though.
When that generation was lead to the promised land, Joshua and Caleb believed what God had said, and looked forward to seeing God's word to Abraham fulfilled. The others who were sent to spy the land were filled with the fear of being sent to their demise and chose not to enter the promised land, and they ended up taking precedence over what Joshua and Caleb had reported. And then spent the next 40 years wandering the desert.
And yet Leviticus says that the person can achieve atonement through flour and without blood. Insisting that blood HAS to be shed is therefore wrong.
On Yom Kippur, the priest sacrifices a bull and a goat and mixes their bloods for the communal atonement-sprinkling (though even that atonement has limitations). Another goat is pushed off a cliff to help with atonement but is not exactly a sacrifice. There were 7 lambs offered on Yom Kippur, and 7 offered on 5 other holidays but they are not for atonement.
This process was established in the desert and continued before and during the temples' existences.
Certainly it existed as it dates back to Sinai. Jesus, himself, endorsed it by telling people to listen to the teachings of the Pharisees, and the Pharisees taught the talmud. Maybe you just don't know what the talmud is.
Actually, it has the statements and teachings of under 1,600 sages. It is a collection of laws, material contemporary to the sinai experience, explanations, applications, arguments and other material.
True. Why accept someone who lacked the personal qualities and failed in the tasks required to be considered a messianic leader?
I'm assuming, right to left. Why?
Again, I only go by the preserved words of God in the Holy Bible.
I do not go by teachings of men, not those who call themselves "Rabbi", "Father", and "Teacher".
Jesus is by Rabbi and Teacher and Father.
There is only one way to get Jesus as those things and it is if you do what he says to do.
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