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God does not NEED to prove himself. Someone please show me, in the Bible, where it says GOD MUST PROVE HIMSELF. He does not need to. Why SHOULD God prove himself? Even if He DID, the disbelievers would still be...disbelievers - just like those that don't believe we landed on the moon to THIS DATE, they wouldn't believe in God if he appeared before them.
God wants people to know about Him
Yes, it is right; God does not need to prove His existence, and does not need the worship of all worshippers.
Evenso, He wants His servants to know about Him and to glorify and worship Him. So He created the creation: so that they will know about His existence.
There is a narrated holy tradition (said by the words of the prophet, but yet they are not part of the Quran):
God says in this holy tradition: "I was a hidden treasure; so I created the creation in order that they should know about My existence."
And He started to say about Himself and His might and His wisdom and they should be with Him, not against Him; so that they live in good and fair condition in this World and the next afterlife.
The explanation:
(God is He Who has made the night [dark] for you [people] to rest in, and the day: full of light [of the sun; to work and seek after your provision.]
Truly, God has [a great] favor [with His bounties] on mankind, but most of them do not give thanks [for the bounties.]
That [One offering you His bounties] is God your Lord, the Creator of all things; there is no god but He; how then are you perverted?
Thus were those [before you] perverted who used to gainsay the signs of God['s revelations.]
God is He Who has made for you the earth for a dwelling-place, and the sky for a structure [of gaseous layers],
and shaped you in fine shapes,
and provided for you sustenance of pure and wholesome [foods];
that, then, is God your Lord, so blessed be God, the Lord of the worlds.)
If god doesn't need to prove himself then neither do IPUs, the FSM, LGMs, Tinkerbell etc. You can't logically say that everything needs proof to believe it is true, but then exempt god from needing to provide proof.
If god doesn't need to prove himself then neither do IPUs, the FSM, LGMs, Tinkerbell etc. You can't logically say that everything needs proof to believe it is true, but then exempt god from needing to provide proof.
Not like that you said.
But, it is like a monarch or a powerful king; he does not need anyone: He has many servants, and an army and He has the ownership, the monarchy and the power; so He is independent of other people; but once some of them be impolite and revile him and disregard him; then his revenge will be terrible.
He bestows on other people his gifts and blessings, to see will they be thankful or not; so if they are thankful, he will increase them out of his generosity; while if they are ungrateful and deal with his generosity with impoliteness and revile him and disregard him, then his revenge will be terrible.
This is in the Quran 39: 7
إِن تَكْفُرُوا فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ غَنِيٌّ عَنكُمْ وَلَا يَرْضَى لِعِبَادِهِ الْكُفْرَ وَإِن تَشْكُرُوا يَرْضَهُ لَكُمْ وَلَا تَزِرُ وَازِرَةٌ وِزْرَ أُخْرَى ثُمَّ إِلَى رَبِّكُم مَّرْجِعُكُمْ فَيُنَبِّئُكُم بِمَا كُنتُمْ تَعْمَلُونَ إِنَّهُ عَلِيمٌ بِذَاتِ الصُّدُورِ
The explanation:
(If you [people] unbelieve, then assuredly God is Independent of you[r belief and worship],
and He is not pleased with the unbelief [and ingratitude] of His servants;
but if you show gratitude [to the bounties of God], He will be pleased with that;
[moreover] no soul laden [with sins] may bear the load of [the sin of] another [soul],
then [after death] your return will be to your Lord, Who will acquaint you with what you were used to do [and punish you accordingly];
for surely He is All-Knowing about [the secrets in] your minds.)
But, it is like a monarch or a powerful king; he does not need anyone: He has many servants, and an army and He has the ownership, the monarchy and the power; so He is independent of other people; but once some of them be impolite and revile him and disregard him; then his revenge will be terrible.
He bestows on other people his gifts and blessings, to see will they be thankful or not; so if they are thankful, he will increase them out of his generosity; while if they are ungrateful and deal with his generosity with impoliteness and revile him and disregard him, then his revenge will be terrible.
This is in the Quran 39: 7
إِن تَكْفُرُوا فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ غَنِيٌّ عَنكُمْ وَلَا يَرْضَى لِعِبَادِهِ الْكُفْرَ وَإِن تَشْكُرُوا يَرْضَهُ لَكُمْ وَلَا تَزِرُ وَازِرَةٌ وِزْرَ أُخْرَى ثُمَّ إِلَى رَبِّكُم مَّرْجِعُكُمْ فَيُنَبِّئُكُم بِمَا كُنتُمْ تَعْمَلُونَ إِنَّهُ عَلِيمٌ بِذَاتِ الصُّدُورِ
The explanation:
(If you [people] unbelieve, then assuredly God is Independent of you[r belief and worship],
and He is not pleased with the unbelief [and ingratitude] of His servants;
but if you show gratitude [to the bounties of God], He will be pleased with that;
[moreover] no soul laden [with sins] may bear the load of [the sin of] another [soul],
then [after death] your return will be to your Lord, Who will acquaint you with what you were used to do [and punish you accordingly];
for surely He is All-Knowing about [the secrets in] your minds.)
If one is to rationally accept the existence of a supreme being then said being's existence has to be empirically proven. Your argument is not rational since it is based on mere scripture and personal bias.
If one is to rationally accept the existence of a supreme being then said being's existence has to be empirically proven. Your argument is not rational since it is based on mere scripture and personal bias.
God's existence is proven, and your reply is the biased; because you have a purpose and will not accept any argument.
About the aya of the Quran that I mentioned; it includes the explanation of the idea, and the Glorious Quran includes many arguments to discuss many true concepts.
Moreover, what I said is only a parable.
Anyhow, the disbeliever will almost deny: God dislikes him (because he is a wrong-doer), and so God misguides him.
As it is in the Quran 4: 88
فَمَا لَكُمْ فِي الْمُنَافِقِينَ فِئَتَيْنِ وَاللّهُ أَرْكَسَهُم بِمَا كَسَبُواْ أَتُرِيدُونَ أَن تَهْدُواْ مَنْ أَضَلَّ اللّهُ وَمَن يُضْلِلِ اللّهُ فَلَن تَجِدَ لَهُ سَبِيلاً
The explanation:
(How is it with you [Muslims] that you are two parties [with two opinions] concerning the hypocrites,
and God has immersed them [in their sins] because of [the transgression and evil] that they earned?
Do you desire [then] to guide him whom God has misguided?
Whom God misguides, you [men] will not find for him a way [to be saved or guided aright.])
God's existence is proven, but the disbeliever insists and is misguided.
Example:
A father and his son saw a drunken man: sleeping in the street in the pool of rain (It was raining); the father wanted to advise his son: "Son, see how bad is the drunkenness!"
The son answered: "I see this drunken man is enjoying himself!"
Therefore, whatever proof and evidence you say to the disbeliever and atheist, he will not accept; because he is misguided, like the blind wandering about.
God's existence is proven, and your reply is the biased; because you have a purpose and will not accept any argument.
About the aya of the Quran that I mentioned; it includes the explanation of the idea, and the Glorious Quran includes many arguments to discuss many true concepts.
Moreover, what I said is only a parable.
Anyhow, the disbeliever will almost deny: God dislikes him (because he is a wrong-doer), and so God misguides him.
As it is in the Quran 4: 88
فَمَا لَكُمْ فِي الْمُنَافِقِينَ فِئَتَيْنِ وَاللّهُ أَرْكَسَهُم بِمَا كَسَبُواْ أَتُرِيدُونَ أَن تَهْدُواْ مَنْ أَضَلَّ اللّهُ وَمَن يُضْلِلِ اللّهُ فَلَن تَجِدَ لَهُ سَبِيلاً
The explanation:
(How is it with you [Muslims] that you are two parties [with two opinions] concerning the hypocrites,
and God has immersed them [in their sins] because of [the transgression and evil] that they earned?
Do you desire [then] to guide him whom God has misguided?
Whom God misguides, you [men] will not find for him a way [to be saved or guided aright.])
If god has been proven then present us with the evidence. I'm not talking about grass, scriptures, clouds and sunsets. Evidence is that which has been emipirically verified by means of the scientific method. All you've given so far is scripture babble and the usual ignorant nonsense that unbelievers are wicked hedonists who will spend eternity in hell.
If god has been proven then present us with the evidence. I'm not talking about grass, scriptures, clouds and sunsets. Evidence is that which has been emipirically verified by means of the scientific method.
This subject, of God's existence or not, started from the time of Noah or may be older.
Many of the people of Moses were the students of Satan and the teachers of people to be against God Most Gracious.
Proofs of God's existence are given, and the atheist always deny; the best indication is your word itself.
Now, tell us what is this empirical scientific evidence that you want.
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