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Ah do we have so many OBEs and fetishists now that we can have "my obe is more valid than your obe" conversations? Its almost like "You are not a real Christian(tm) unless....." conversations which we also have a lot of around here between people of faith.
Upon what basis, other than assertion, do you declare one range of OBE more "genuine" than another I wonder to myself.
It isn't a genuine out-of-body experience unless you are in an OR or the back of a trauma ambulance and have flat-lined. You must be able to be resuscitated and be able to tell OR personnel exactly what they said and what they did while you were "dead", otherwise it's not a credible experience.
no, what you are describing is a "near death experience."
an "out of body experience" is not the same thing, people can and do travel out of body at will. It's simply a learned skill. It may also happen spontaneously, often times during a traumatic experience.
There will be a whole string of them from woe to go...Perhaps they will all morph into The One some where some when some how. (?) And there you will be, as truly as you are...
no, what you are describing is a "near death experience."
an "out of body experience" is not the same thing, people can and do travel out of body at will. It's simply a learned skill. It may also happen spontaneously, often times during a traumatic experience.
Well my Ex told me that she used to 'leave the situation' when she was being sexually abused as a child but she never went into details as to what that involved or whether it was OOB or simply OOMind - by all accounts she gave me the impression I have is that it was OOM, which is different.
Sort of turning off in order to not have to experience what was happening to her. She said this accounted for some of the lack of details she could give because she did not mentality witness the abuse in order to record it as memory.
None of my own experiences with OOB were prompted by any traumatic event.
Sort of turning off in order to not have to experience what was happening to her. She said this accounted for some of the lack of details she could give because she did not mentality witness the abuse in order to record it as memory.
I have had traumatic experiences with yet another outcome which is that while I was very much present for them, my brain declines to recall the details after the fact. I simply blank on such things when pressed. I suppose that partly it is my subconscious separating me from the emotional content of the experience and partly it is just that i have moved on and don't dwell on negative things; time does the rest.
The human mind is capable of doing all sorts of interesting tricks under pressure or simply under some other pertinent stimulus. Which is why we need to be very reluctant to draw firm conclusion from such tricks. If we have a sensation of being separate from the body or a lucid dream about being separate from the body then the simplest explanation is that the mind is (mal)functioning atypically.
I'm not a believer in true astral travel. I'd have to see someone go to another country and have it verified that (s)he heard someone say or do something. So far I've never seen any proof forthcoming.
If we have a sensation of being separate from the body or a lucid dream about being separate from the body then the simplest explanation is that the mind is (mal)functioning atypically.
Sure - if you have a need to know 'how' believe whatever you want.
Sure - if you have a need to know 'how' believe whatever you want.
I have no idea what you mean by that.
I was suggesting, in the spirit of agnosticism, which is what you are, that we be reluctant to draw firm conclusions, and then I identified the most likely explanation that serves as a rational default. Do you have a specific problem with that? Or have you predetermined that such experiences MUST mean something more fanciful?
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