Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Only if you use the quoted mined stuff from the creationist sites you are so fond of doing.. Do they hire people to sit and read all the science papers looking for stuff they can take out of context?...That job would suit you just fine....No honesty required.
Their beliefs our obvious, and your attempt to suggest their comments were only taken out of context is lacking.
Colin Patterson, B.M.N.H. "Well, it seems to me that they have accepted that the fossil record doesn't give them the support they would value so they searched around to find another model and found one. When you haven't got the evidence, you make up a story that will fit the lack of evidence." Darwin's EnigmA, p.100
That statement reminds me of your last post sanspeur.
Missing link a media term? sanspeur, you know better than that. The editor of Nature Magazine Henery Gee stated that was a term used by believers in evolution. Now are you going to refute one of your main people?
That's it? That is the only part of my post that you dare to address?..How about addressing your quote mining habit. Is it an addiction?.... I think you should join the others in my trash bin.
Their beliefs our obvious, and your attempt to suggest their comments were only taken out of context is lacking.
Colin Patterson, B.M.N.H. "Well, it seems to me that they have accepted that the fossil record doesn't give them the support they would value so they searched around to find another model and found one. When you haven't got the evidence, you make up a story that will fit the lack of evidence." Darwin's EnigmA, p.100
That statement reminds me of your last post sanspeur.
There are a number of misconceptions about the term "missing link" and its implications.
Missing Link = Intermediate Form
A number of creationists use the term "missing link" as though it means intermediate form. This leads creationists to make strange statements such as "There are no missing links in the fossil record". This is exactly the opposite of what creationists want to say: they mean to pretend that all the links are missing.
"The" Missing Link
A further misconception is that there is such a thing as "the" missing link, (usually identified as some putative entity somewhere between basal apes and modern humans) the absence of which casts evolution into doubt, and the presence of which would confirm it.
This is somewhat dated, since scientists now have many ape-human intermediates confirming the evolution of humans; and it is conceptally inaccurate, since there are lots of intermediate forms that have been found, and lots of intermediate forms that have not been found: the theory of evolution does not stand or fall by the ability of scientists to produce some particular form.
Missing links controverting evolution
In general, we may say that the absence of any particular link does not controvert evolution. Back in the early 1860's, when nointermediate forms ahd been found, this constituted a genuine embarrassment for supporters of Darwinism, and the best point on the side of their opponents. But since then, many thousands of intermediate forms have been discovered. Some, undoubtedly, are still missing, but this does not refute the theory of evolution, since it does not falsify any of the predictions of the Theory of Evolution: for the theory does not predict either that every form that scientists might want to look at will have been preserved in the fossil record, nor that any form so preserved will have been discovered by the year 2009.
That's it? That is the only part of my post that you dare to address?..How about addressing your quote mining habit. Is it an addiction?.... I think you should join the others in my trash bin.
Well you see sanspeur. For years people have been led to believe that evolution is a done deal. They were taught that evidence confirms the theory. Yet this is simply not the case. So unless we show them what many scientist believe. How will they ever come to the knowledge of the truth? Of course one has to search for such material, because this material is never spoken of in the classroom. Those who push the theory of evolution, would be happy if their statements never saw the light of day. Call it quote mining if you will. Yet sometimes we must do the mining, and the digging. Especially, if we are seeking the truth.
Well you see sanspeur. For years people have been led to believe that evolution is a done deal. They were taught that evidence confirms the theory. Yet this is simply not the case. So unless we show them what many scientist believe. How will they ever come to the knowledge of the truth? Of course one has to search for such material, because this material is never spoken of in the classroom. Those who push the theory of evolution, would be happy if their statements never saw the light of day. Call it quote mining if you will. Yet sometimes we must do the mining, and the digging. Especially, if we are seeking the truth.
Quote mining is the opposite of seeking the truth, fool
Well you see sanspeur. For years people have been led to believe that evolution is a done deal. They were taught that evidence confirms the theory. Yet this is simply not the case. So unless we show them what many scientist believe. How will they ever come to the knowledge of the truth? Of course one has to search for such material, because this material is never spoken of in the classroom. Those who push the theory of evolution, would be happy if their statements never saw the light of day. Call it quote mining if you will. Yet sometimes we must do the mining, and the digging. Especially, if we are seeking the truth.
You don't seek truth. You seek lies to support your twisted fantasies...Off to the twit filter for you...
Well Fred, if you look around, you might see it's about ten to one here, so there is a very good chance one might not be able to respond to every post. Yet, do you have a question that I might be able to respond to?
Modern biology. Do you think it's all a bunch of hogwash or not?
There are a number of misconceptions about the term "missing link" and its implications.
Missing Link = Intermediate Form
A number of creationists use the term "missing link" as though it means intermediate form. This leads creationists to make strange statements such as "There are no missing links in the fossil record". This is exactly the opposite of what creationists want to say: they mean to pretend that all the links are missing.
"The" Missing Link
A further misconception is that there is such a thing as "the" missing link, (usually identified as some putative entity somewhere between basal apes and modern humans) the absence of which casts evolution into doubt, and the presence of which would confirm it.
This is somewhat dated, since scientists now have many ape-human intermediates confirming the evolution of humans; and it is conceptally inaccurate, since there are lots of intermediate forms that have been found, and lots of intermediate forms that have not been found: the theory of evolution does not stand or fall by the ability of scientists to produce some particular form.
Missing links controverting evolution
In general, we may say that the absence of any particular link does not controvert evolution. Back in the early 1860's, when nointermediate forms ahd been found, this constituted a genuine embarrassment for supporters of Darwinism, and the best point on the side of their opponents. But since then, many thousands of intermediate forms have been discovered. Some, undoubtedly, are still missing, but this does not refute the theory of evolution, since it does not falsify any of the predictions of the Theory of Evolution: for the theory does not predict either that every form that scientists might want to look at will have been preserved in the fossil record, nor that any form so preserved will have been discovered by the year 2009.
(A number of creationists use the term missing link?)
A number of older evolutionist still use the term missing link as well. Are you trying to suggest that the creationist are the only ones using such a term because they are out of touch?
Senior Editor of Nature Magazine Henry Gee states. New fossil discoveries are fitted into this preexisting story. (WE) call these new discoveries (MISSING LINKS) In Search of Deep Time (2001) p.32
(Many intermediate forms have been discovered?)
Quote, from David M. Raup, U. Chicago; Ch. F. Mus. of N. H.,
Well, we are now about 120 years after Darwin and the knowledge of the fossil record has been greatly expanded. ---- We now have a quarter of a million fossils species but the situation hasn't changed much....
ironically, we have even fewer example of evolutionary transition than we had in Darwin's time.
It was pointed out by Raup that we have less examples because classic cases of darwinian change in the fossil record, such as horse evolution was discarded because of more detailed information.
The fossil record, is (STILL) an embarrassment for supporters of evolution. And that is why Mark Ridley of Oxford states, that no real evolutionist, whether gradualist or punctuationist, uses the fossil record as evidence in favour of the theory of evolution. New Sceintist, June, 1981, p.831
Modern biology. Do you think it's all a bunch of hogwash or not?
The Coelacanth was stated by believers in Evolution to of died off 60 to 70 million years ago. They knew the Coelacanth existed only because it was found in the fossil record. Evolutionest taught that the Coelacanth was the ancestor of land-dwelling vertebrates and a true transitional. Yet this all changed when they discovered a living one in 1938. What was also discovered was the Coelacanth showed no evidence of any kind of evolution, which was another blow to their theory. And of course, after they lost another one of there though to be transionals, they just moved on to another fish to take it's place. No, I do not believe all modern biology is hogwash. Yet when it comes to Evoultion, without question, I do.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Missing link origins
