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So you are claiming all things except gawd need a cause? Make one exception and you must allow for others (like your assumption is wrong).
Once again, you claim everything needs a cause except your gawd. Really bought into the fairytale didn't you?
And other than your silly assumptions and justifications to your cause, have you any proof of any of this? You claim everything must have a creator, with the exception of your creator. You claim that he just always was, but will not accept the same argument for anything else. Not only a lack of clear thinking but truly a case of tunnel vision showing a willingness to reject original thought.
Amazing logic isn't it: These are the rules which must apply in all cases.
Oh, btw....the rules don't apply for my god!!
Why doesn't he just come out and say 'I claim special pleading for my god'?
He didnt have to keep them off his ark, cos they never planned to enter his ark. they just did not believe things was going to turn that way, when is became clear it was too late.
So even after 10 days of continuous rain and with the water level up to their knees they didn't think that something odd was going on and try to save themselves? After 20 days of continuous rain and with water lapping around their chins they were still thinking, 'Oh, it's just a shower. It'll soon pass'.
BY FAITH??? Because you don't have any evidence other that "belief"!
OOps! That sounds like religion.
How does saying "I don't know" require faith or belief? Certainly doesn't sound like religion to me. The religious choke on those words....They prefer to say "god dun it" when they don't understand things....
They have been doing this since the dawn of the first make believe god and they saw the first bolt of lightning.
I ask again......whare did that "something" come from?
Why, from the FSM, a far more likeable fellow, less intent on retribution and holy terror that YOUR unsupportable fairy tale guy.
BTW, please explain, in detail, "infinity", Einstein's General Theory of Relativity, digital sound recording, sub-atomic particle physics, and my cat's desire to rub against my leg.
Betcha can't! Ergo a Gawd? Hardly. That's just classed as a "Belief of Convenience" and the purposeful denial of higher learning and understanding.
Which, apparently, you embrace, wholeheartedly. (Even to the point of denying things that have been proved some years ago now. Sad, huh?)
Logic Always Fails Christians When They Need It Most, huh guys?
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Originally Posted by citizenkane2
A common argument from atheists and skeptics is that if all things need a cause, then God must also need a cause. The conclusion is that if God needed a cause, then God is not God (and if God is not God, then of course there is no God). This is a slightly more sophisticated form of the basic question “Who made God?” Everyone knows that something does not come from nothing. So, if God is a “something,” then He must have a cause, right?I'm just an ol' hayseed!!
The question is tricky because it sneaks in the false assumption that God came from somewhere and then asks where that might be. The answer is that the question does not even make sense. It is like asking, “What does blue smell like?” Blue is not in the category of things that have a smell, so the question itself is flawed. In the same way, God is not in thecategory of things that are created or caused.(Why Not?) God is uncaused and uncreated—He simply exists. (Oh. I see. How convenient! I'm gonna use that now, since you do...)
So did the pre-universe pre-exist, but just in another form. You can't have it both ways, c_k. "Beliefs of Convenience"... Ho hum.
You know, just so you think you can "win" your argument. But, you can't partially use logic and semantics when it supports your side of the argument, and then summarily dismiss it when we use it. How dumb and transparent!
Science at least uniformly applies what we do know to predict several possible outcomes, to investigate, and to deduce. Strangely, it's gotten us a long ways, and our initial predictions for The Big Bang have, largely, been demonstrated.
But as to your "predictions"? Incontrovertible miraculous disease recoveries, regeneration of amputated limbs, starving children being saved, prayers being answered, again, incontrovertibly (as in: no other possible solution)??? Bring 'em on. Bet'cha can't, and never could.
At least we find ancient gamma and X-rays, ancient light from ancient galaxies, provable thermonuclear reactions that explain not only the existance of our's and other suns, but also the byproducts and consequences we then measure and document.
How inconvenient for your side, huh, with it's "magic moments theories", literalist Ark nonsense and vegan tame T-Rex requirements. Heee heeee heeee.... oh lordy, it's all so frickin' funny!
Just tell us it's all done by magic and we'll be outa here! Simple! Because sure as heck, it wasn't done logically!
So did the pre-universe pre-exist, but just in another form. You can't have it both ways, c_k. "Beliefs of Convenience"... Ho hum.
You know, just so you think you can "win" your argument. But, you can't partially use logic and semantics when it supports your side of the argument, and then summarily dismiss it when we use it. How dumb and transparent!
Science at least uniformly applies what we do know to predict several possible outcomes, to investigate, and to deduce. Strangely, it's gotten us a long ways, and our initial predictions for The Big Bang have, largely, been demonstrated.
But as to your "predictions"? Incontrovertible miraculous disease recoveries, regeneration of amputated limbs, starving children being saved, prayers being answered, again, incontrovertibly (as in: no other possible solution)??? Bring 'em on. Bet'cha can't, and never could.
At least we find ancient gamma and X-rays, ancient light from ancient galaxies, provable thermonuclear reactions that explain not only the existance of our's and other suns, but also the byproducts and consequences we then measure and document.
How inconvenient for your side, huh, with it's "magic moments theories", literalist Ark nonsense and vegan tame T-Rex requirements. Heee heeee heeee.... oh lordy, it's all so frickin' funny!
Just tell us it's all done by magic and we'll be outa here! Simple! Because sure as heck, it wasn't done logically!
Simple answer, really. Nothing exist before God. He spoke and created everything.
Why, from the FSM, a far more likeable fellow, less intent on retribution and holy terror that YOUR unsupportable fairy tale guy.
BTW, please explain, in detail, "infinity", Einstein's General Theory of Relativity, digital sound recording, sub-atomic particle physics, and my cat's desire to rub against my leg.
Betcha can't! Ergo a Gawd? Hardly. That's just classed as a "Belief of Convenience" and the purposeful denial of higher learning and understanding.
Which, apparently, you embrace, wholeheartedly. (Even to the point of denying things that have been proved some years ago now. Sad, huh?)
That's more supportable than a substance that you "think" might have been there, but aren't really sure about! LOL
Simple answer, really. Nothing exist before God. He spoke and created everything.
There's no "both ways" ....just one way.
In order to speak you need a mouth, tongue, vocal chords and probably a whole head and body to put it on. The Bible always talks about God speaking but how does he do it? Just wondering.
Simple answer, really. Nothing exist before God. He spoke and created everything.
There's no "both ways" ....just one way.
Oh heck, what's that word I'm looking for to best describe your argument? No, not BS... something more sophisticated and appropo...
Oh yeah.... CONJECTURE.
You have less proof of your God and his pre-Bang existance than we have for our predicted version of that particular point in time. Were there pre-existing conditions to it? Well who really knows? Certainly not you. Even the bible doesn't tell you, so again...
CONJECTURE is all you've got, but also quite muddled by illiterate mythology and fear-induced and frantic hope.
Nice. Quite unconvincing though.
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Another Sad Tale.
Logic Always Fails Christians When They Need It Most, huh guys?
Bring 'em on. Bet'cha can't, and never could. 
