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Ok, the Bible tells us the Ark was at least 400 and some feet long made of wood, and filled with cages for animals, at it landed on Mt. Ararat. Now thousands of years later we find a ship on Mt. Ararat that is over 400 feet long made of wood with cages inside. Should we then ignore the Biblical account only because some don't believe in it. I mean really, how many 400 foot ships have been found on Mt. Ararat? Should we conclude that there are so many ships sitting up there, that we can't really relate this ship to the Biblical account? I used the world (IF). Yet others say hands down, we saw the Ark of Noah up close, with cages inside on Mt. Ararat. It's not a question of going round and round, it's a question of what obviously is, based on strong evidence.
Nobody has found an ark/barge/ship, or even a canoe on Ararat. You just want to believe it so bad that you have totally deluded yourself. There is not a shred of evidence except what you have created in your mind.....Or perhaps you are just entertaining yourself here....It has to be one or the other.
Do you believe people when they say they have been abducted by and had sex with aliens?
Actually while visiting the planet Kolob I met a hot little gray in a mini skirt and high heels at an alien nightclub. She didn't actually abduct me, it was consensual, but she rocked my world and had me speaking in tongues (maybe I wasn't actually speaking but I know I was doing something with it).
Campbell, let's look at just one small part of your fantasy:
IF the ark existed, and IF it's actually that rock outcropping on Ararat, and IF it was constructed to the dimensions mentioned in the bible, and IF it carried two each of all the unclean animals and seven each of all the clean animals...
...then how did all those animals even fit on the size boat that the ark is purported to be? Let's even ignore food, water, bedding, and waste concerns and assume all those were magically taken care of...HOW DID ALL THOSE ANIMALS FIT?
I call it persecution. It is demonstrated by the oft repeated use of terms like "idiot" used so freely by pseudo-intellectuals who presume that they are intellectually superior to those who believe in God and the unseen spirit world. There are many such posters on the "Christian" forum too. A troll is a troll, no matter the area of discussion. You have been given the rare distinction of being added to my "ignore" list. I shake the dust from my sandals.
LOL...a christer here, claiming 'persecution'? That's a hoot and a half. Not quite as funny as Campbell's delusions, but funny nonetheless. When was the last time someone spit on you or fired you or said you should kill yourself because you're a Christian?
...then how did all those animals even fit on the size boat that the ark is purported to be? Let's even ignore food, water, bedding, and waste concerns and assume all those were magically taken care of...HOW DID ALL THOSE ANIMALS FIT?
To take a page from Hovind (with whom I do not agree on many things), the animals did not have to be full sized adults; but I don't imagine that you are interested in a genuine debate. I leave you all, many trolls against a few believers. May God direct your deliberations.
According to Ed Davis, the people who took them there considered them to be holy artifacts from the Ark. And they put them in the cave to keep the rest of the world from defiling them.
Yet they just happened to let your 'witnesses' see them. How convenient for you.
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Your alien question is off topic, .....
No it isn't. It has a direct correlation to your belief that the Ark exists because people have said it exists....so answer the question.
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I call it persecution.
Yes, you would!
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You have been given the rare distinction of being added to my "ignore" list. I shake the dust from my sandals.
That's OK. I'm used to Christians doing that when they are unable to defend their beliefs by reasoned debate. Bye!
BTW, I'd say that that someone like yourself, who's only debating skill is to scream 'I'm right because the Bible says I'm right' should be a little more reticent before questioning the way others debate.
To take a page from Hovind (with whom I do not agree on many things), the animals did not have to be full sized adults; but I don't imagine that you are interested in a genuine debate. I leave you all, many trolls against a few believers. May God direct your deliberations.
I think it's going to be rather hard to debate here when you just call those who disagree with you trolls, but just in case you really want a debate....
I hope Noah was smart enough to separate the males and females, especially of short lived creatures that have big litters like mice or rabbits for instance. That might have been a problem because there are 4,500 species of mammals known today, and in Noah's time probably a lot more considering extinctions...9,000 separate enclosures for just the mammals.
8,500 species of birds....That's another 17,000 cages. 6,400 amphibians...12,800 more cages....8,900 reptiles....Some of these are rather big...Another 17,800 cages...Lord only knows what Noah did about the insects.
All of these creatures had to be fed, watered and have their cages swamped out....Tell me how you think this was done.
A troll is a troll, no matter the area of discussion. You have been given the rare distinction of being added to my "ignore" list. I shake the dust from my sandals.
In school when you were faced with a test question you could not answer, or when you could not support an answer with fact or how you derived the answer did you call the teacher a 'troll'?
But you second point of placing a person that asks difficult questions on your ignore list is a quite typical and predictable response from those desperately trying to support delusional postulates. I can't answer so I must either insult or ignore. But your point of telling them they made your ignore list, "neener neener neener..... I can't hear yoooooooooou" a childish taunt.
The dust isn't in your sandals, it's in your ears from burying your head in the sand.
So why can't the rest of the world go and see these artifacts that fell from the Ark?
Do you believe people when they say they have been abducted by and had sex with aliens?
This must be the work (words ) of the devil, as currently your post is #666 in this thread
But since the devil exists only in the delusions of some it could just be the 666th post
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) of the devil, as currently your post is #666 in this thread 
