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Old 04-15-2010, 08:19 AM
 
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what are you on about-who said anything about wishing to be non-existent
Did you or did you not indicate that you wished to be like your "god"?

Since this "god" is non existent, you must wish to also be non-existent.

Try real hard to follow along here.

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and what innacurate statement did i make-come on dont just splurt something out and not back it up.
Any and all statements touting the perfection of your "god" belief is inaccurate. Provide proof of existence and attitude (not mere garbage from your bible) and we can talk.

You know, back up your belief as you demand of others instead of just a "splurt" of nonsense.
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Old 04-15-2010, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Indianapolis
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heres the thing-God's character is supreme on every level-and His energy is the same as our energy in its original state-and altough the same ecstatic love that he feels is the same as we fell-His is diffrent only in quantity and not in quality

these quality's that make up divine love(God consioussness)are care-commpassion-tolerance-patience-understanding-nobility-honour-and the rest-these quality's IN FULL make up the devine love that people are talkin about-i think it was Jesus who said it__"if you have not found care,then you have not found love-if you have not found commpassion you have not found love- if you................"and these quality's of God exist in us-theyve always been there,we just have to know how to overcome illusion and ignorance and we can get back on track to the spiritual world where everything is made of this transendental spiritual bliss.


and although God has an unlimited amount of these energy's-we have the same but just a portion of that same energy and not the whole-God is the whole-everything in existence is just a mere portion of His eternal energy's.

so can we be like God-well we cant copy Him thats for sure-we'll never be able to hold reality toghether-we are limited in ways where He is not-but we can be like Him-we can be the same love that he is we just need to find a way on how to perfect these quality's-then perfection is just around the corner
I believe we can become like God in attributes as Jesus showed. We are not born with any part of Divinity, we must ask for it as Jesus did. We are born with only the potential and we must acquire that which is Divinity through soulfull prayer to our Father.
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Old 04-15-2010, 09:07 AM
 
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Some one said God is too demanding???

If humans followed simple instructions...(not too demanding at all)..then this world would be perfect.
It is because of the lack of faith in those instructions that this world is in dier straights Today.

Simple Gardening..and being sinless...that is the demand of God...But humans think they know better than God...while living in a world about to blow up with weapons made to destroy what God said to tend and keep...funny opposites are showing signs!

So go figure...the demands are not for his satisfaction or beneift...they are for our own.
If you follow or not....What God demands is best for all living things...if we make truth of what he has said...or what has been past down from other generations, about his will and word.

Love..compasion...truth...Honour...valour...righte ousness...forgiveness....faith is believing in God's word and will....
These things are the glory of God...and we can have them if we practice them...our actions speak volumes...So do what God has said to do, by way of the reason for God making us....."be sinless, and tend and keep the garden"...nothing wrong there?...."Do not profane what God has made clean" and or called Good....
For you cannot put god into prison for making and Growing plants of any kind!..nor should his children be !

Acts 10:15.
Genesis 1:11, 1:12, 1:29, 2:15, 9:3
Rev 17:17...Put back sinlessly what was taken in disobediance...brings forgiveness/Eden/Glory which is true Glory of God .

Sinless is the key to the Glory of God, That we can achieve....and the Glory of God is listed above...God is divine...God is Holy...and God is truthful and righteous...

To know the outcomes of certain actions...be they Good or bad...can only be Judged by their fruits in time....so all directions, all ideas...all things will be tested...in time.

And the best or greator of them all should be imployed..and the ones which bring suffering and shame, and sickness and death should be averted....

Now about the Churches....it is not the churches fault that evil tries to defile it...for the truth is still in it...and the evil is trying to defile the truth that is in it...and that is what the Evil spirit is trying to debunk /defile by doing those evils in it...The children are sinless...and they who are in the care of the churches, should be doing that simple service in the garden...Putting back the plant that makes holy Ground!
Evil is trying to defile the children to try to stop that from taking place...for only a sinless child can do the service of restoration...which keeps the door open to God.
To make people turn away from the truth of that many things have been twisted and made unclean by lies and liars...taking what God said was Good..and making it bad and against the law to do....
The house of God is now the house of Satan?...well it might be, but it doesn't have to be, if the people take it back, and impliment new priests in the stead of the Pedophiles.....
And I believe the Church has a oath of silence which is envoked, as a means to keep sinners confessions out of the pubic Eye...and the laws of civil code.

For if a man or woman or other confesses a crime or sin...and repents...this secret is kept if they truly try to change!.

Ofcourse I think it is a fine line, when the church accepts and hides a condition that is not one time offense, but many times being done...this behavior as a constant is not something that should be swept under the rug, and hiden, and rewarded, and or supported, and or given prominance in the churches...it should be pronouced to the authorities, and condemed by society!!!!!

Same goes for wedlock of Man and woman to join in holy wedlock..alone!!!...it is for man and woman...alone...it is not for others!

So what is holy stays holy!

Now if we defile that holy pure idea of the church, and of the man and women...then holiness means nothing...righteousness means nothing...honour and valour mean nothing...truth means nothing!

is that the kind of world humans want to make?

And they say God is too demanding?

sheeesh...

Sir Les

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Old 04-15-2010, 09:52 AM
 
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you just dont understand the laws of karma and reincarnation thats why people suffer -all our sufering and enjoyment on the material plane is due to or actions in previous lives and in this life-how else you gonna explain it-
Could you explain how you supposedly understand the so called laws of reincarnation since there's not a shred of evidence that it really happens?
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Old 04-15-2010, 09:55 AM
 
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if I cannot get the 'control reality by force of will' part, then I'd only make a half hearted attempt at the rest.

a being that powerful can afford to do certain things because it will never be at the mercy of others.
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Old 04-15-2010, 10:03 AM
 
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If humans followed simple instructions...(not too demanding at all)..then this world would be perfect.
I'm assuming that you're referring to the Bible but it's far from being simple to comprehend, in fact for the most part it's contradictory and unintelligible. It's also a bit of a stretch to believe that the Bible which was written by a number of different human beings were actually being dictated by a God and they were simply writing down what they were told. If there really was a God and the Bible was inspired by him I would strongly urge God to take some writing classes because his book is a disaster.
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Old 04-15-2010, 04:43 PM
 
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dobeable wrote:

Could you explain how you supposedly understand the so called laws of reincarnation since there's not a shred of evidence that it really happens?
theres also not a shred of evidance that can claim it dosent happen-dont forget you cant remembrer being born and a hell of alot during your life-and thats this life-just because you cant remember dosent mean it dosent- didnt happen.the human brain is limited in so many ways.
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Old 04-15-2010, 04:49 PM
 
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Sir Les wrote:

I'm assuming that you're referring to the Bible but it's far from being simple to comprehend, in fact for the most part it's contradictory and unintelligible. It's also a bit of a stretch to believe that the Bible which was written by a number of different human beings were actually being dictated by a God and they were simply writing down what they were told. If there really was a God and the Bible was inspired by him I would strongly urge God to take some writing classes because his book is a disaster.
its like a jigsaw puzzle with most of the bits missing you ndont get the full picture or even a clear one at that-there are some good bits left but the bits that have been screwed with- dosent show God's true nature-missinterpreted and butchered
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Old 04-16-2010, 05:56 AM
 
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There should be no puzzles in the finding of God. God designed it so that even the illiterate could find Him. Any religion that requires the working ability of the mind cannot be a true religion. God's plan is simple and to say that finding God should take a working mind is demeaning to God. We are His children and He has put a part of Himself within us all. When we look within, we can find Him. We do not need any religion nor set of sacred books. He is within us. The only way to God is through the self. Self realization and self mastery through Love. Anything outside of that, it will be impossible to find God. God is not in any church or book. He is within.

Through the workings of Love, we can become like Him in every attribute. We will never be God but we will be like Him. Only those who choose the path that Jesus spoke of, Divine Love and the New Birth, will enter the Kingdom.
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Old 04-16-2010, 07:40 AM
 
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theres also not a shred of evidance that can claim it dosent happen-dont forget you cant remembrer being born and a hell of alot during your life-and thats this life-just because you cant remember dosent mean it dosent- didnt happen.the human brain is limited in so many ways.
So you are claiming that if there is no proof that it doesn't happen, it happens?

That would explain an awful lot about your stated beliefs(?).
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