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Old 12-14-2020, 05:53 PM
 
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That's a non-answer from someone who has no response to cogent points.
LOL! I'm sorry that your browser is broken enough that you can't find subsequent posts.

As for that article? Is this what you call "cogent?":

Thirdly, there are some physical injuries that can be obtained from bidet usage. Severe burning of the genital and perianal regions from scolding water is possible, and burns are particularly common in the elderly who have reduced anal temperature sensitivity. Injuries from ceramic bidets that break during use have also been reported. This is particularly worrying for older generations who are more susceptible to complications from minor physical injuries. Injury from broken bidets may become more prevalent as the average weight of a bidet user increases. Bidets will need to be built to withstand higher weight loads from heavier users to make sure they are safe from failure. Practical design solutions, for example installing temperature control systems, may also be needed to ensure safe and efficient use for elderly users who have more difficulties when using a bidet and who are more at risk from bidet injuries.

The word is perineal, not perianal. That might give you a clue that this author has no real knowledge and is blowing smoke. No modern bidet that I am aware of is attached directly to a hot water line, AND anti-scald valves are required in all public restrooms, and modern water heaters are limited to about 125 F, below where such burns would happen even if they were. Now, perhaps the erudite author really MEANT "scolding water." I am trying to remember the last time when I was scolded by water, but I suppose it is possible if you hear voices. "What do you think you are doing, spraying me up there?!?! Don't you know I am holy water?!!!" If I heard that, I agree that it might put me off, at least until I heard from other voices that the tap water was a prankster and that only water from the spaghetti pot was holy water.

A ceramic bidet is a dedicated appliance, built to similar standards as a toilet. Whether a person broke a toilet or a bidet first would be a toss-up. Since we can't know for certain, using the author's twisted logic, we need to consider banning ceramic toilets as well. Of course, that leaves open the avenue of whinging about splinters in the outhouse plank, and being stung by resident horseflies.

In short, the article is about as cogent as the scratchings in a litter pan after a cat has relieved itself, and I have had newspaper lining the bottom of a parakeet cage that made the parakeet a better researcher than the author.
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Old 12-14-2020, 05:55 PM
 
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LOL! I'm sorry that your browser is broken enough that you can't find subsequent posts.

As for that article? Is this what you call "cogent?":

Thirdly, there are some physical injuries that can be obtained from bidet usage. Severe burning of the genital and perianal regions from scolding water is possible, and burns are particularly common in the elderly who have reduced anal temperature sensitivity. Injuries from ceramic bidets that break during use have also been reported. This is particularly worrying for older generations who are more susceptible to complications from minor physical injuries. Injury from broken bidets may become more prevalent as the average weight of a bidet user increases. Bidets will need to be built to withstand higher weight loads from heavier users to make sure they are safe from failure. Practical design solutions, for example installing temperature control systems, may also be needed to ensure safe and efficient use for elderly users who have more difficulties when using a bidet and who are more at risk from bidet injuries.

The word is perineal, not perianal. That might give you a clue that this author has no real knowledge and is blowing smoke. No modern bidet that I am aware of is attached directly to a hot water line, AND anti-scald valves are required in all public restrooms, and modern water heaters are limited to about 125 F, below where such burns would happen even if they were. Now, perhaps the erudite author really MEANT "scolding water." I am trying to remember the last time when I was scolded by water, but I suppose it is possible if you hear voices. "What do you think you are ding, spraying me up there?!?! Don't you know I am holy water?!!!" If I heard that, I agree that it might put me off, at least until I heard from other voices that the tap water was a prankster and that only water from the spaghetti pot was holy water.

A ceramic bidet is a dedicated appliance, built to similar standards as a toilet. Whether a person broke a toilet or a bidet first would be a toss-up. Since we can't know for certain, using the author's twisted logic, we need to consider banning ceramic toilets as well. Of course, that leaves open the avenue of whinging about splinters in the outhouse plank, and being stung by resident horseflies.

In short, the article is about as cogent as the scratchings in a litter pan after a cat has relieved itself, and I have had newspaper lining the bottom of a parakeet cage that made the parakeet a better researcher than the author.
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Old 12-14-2020, 09:05 PM
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There is cat litter that is made to go down the toilet.
Absolutely not. Nor “flushable” wipes.
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Old 12-14-2020, 09:47 PM
 
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There is cat litter that is made to go down the toilet.
Oh, H***, no, terrible idea!
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Old 12-17-2020, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Gaagige Minawaanigozigiwining
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Oh, H***, no, terrible idea!
He must love spending money on the plumber
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Old 12-20-2020, 06:31 AM
 
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Pay attention to what you are flushing for sure, but around here it's only about $200 for a septic tank cleanout. Unless you have a big family, having it pumped every 2 years or so will be the best insurance to protect your leach field or sand filter.
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Old 12-21-2020, 05:49 AM
 
Location: Wooster, Ohio
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Pay attention to what you are flushing for sure, but around here it's only about $200 for a septic tank cleanout. Unless you have a big family, having it pumped every 2 years or so will be the best insurance to protect your leach field or sand filter.
Agreed. And aeration systems need annual maintenance. I was able to go every 10 years because it is a one person household, but all septic systems need to be pumped out on a regular basis. Otherwise, the sludge builds up until it runs into the leach field. My system had 2 separate leach fields; I would change the inlet pipe once a year.

I was on city sewer by the time the Rover Pipeline came through my property, right through my leach fields.
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Old 01-14-2021, 03:58 AM
 
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One of the best choices is Cascade Toilet paper. It is similar to Angel Soft. I prefer it to Scott’s (another good choice for septic systems).

https://www.theartofdoingstuff.com/t...er-should-buy/
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Old 01-15-2021, 01:11 PM
 
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Free toilet paper is the best?
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Old 01-19-2021, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Raleigh
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Yes I think I stated that wrong and what you said here sounds closer to what he said. He’s coming out next week to pump it out and give me a verdict on whether I should get a new unit but apparently holding tanks and lagoons are legal in Union county in Southern Illinois.
It's very possible that it's an older system that's grandfathered in.
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That's a non-answer from someone who has no response to cogent points.
Not really. Burning yourself with hot water, or cutting yourself on a broken bidet, aren't really arguments against a bidet anymore than a ceramic toilet bowl or shower that has hot water.

And I say that as someone who has no desire to install a bidet.
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