Is SF racist? (San Francisco, Oakland, Montclair: for rent, crimes, bus)

[goldenchild08]

Originally Posted by majoun

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Streetwise: The Burned Cross - Western Neighborhoods Project - San Francisco History

Well, areas like the OMI (aka Lakeview) and Hunter's Point used to be overwhelmingly White before the 40's. The OMI became majority Black sometime in the late 60's and early 70's. White flight occurred on a much smaller magnitude in these neighborhoods because Lakeview was only 60%+ Black when it was its Blackest from the 70's through the mid 90's. The rest of the neigborhood was mostly Asians and few Hispanics with hardly any Whites. This is a stark contrast from your average Black neighborhood in DC, Baltimore, Philly, Detroit, L.A. or NYC that is literally 95-99.9% Black.

Most ghetto neighborhoods that are occupied by minorities, particularly Blacks, were once occupied by nearly all White people. Every ghetto city from Compton to Camden, NJ was once occupied by middle class White people who made good wages. George W Bush used to live in Compton before it became a notorious ghetto city in the late 40's.

The "there goes the neighborhood" White flight movements that occurred in SF also occurred in much greater magnitude in cities like Detroit, Baltimore, DC and every other Black majority city in America. Whites moved business from the city to the suburbs and cities became deindustrialized. Cities like Baltimore and Detroit are among the most glaring examples of White flight and the severe effects of deindustrialization and the death of high paying manufacturing jobs held by "uneducated" workers. This same ghettoization and blighting occurred in SF in Hunter's Point when the Naval Yard was shut down. However, SF, as a whole, has always been too pretty of a city to be left completely abandoned by wealthy Whites unlike dirty, grungy, formerly industrial working class Baltimore.

[KRISTINsf]

Yes, there's racism in San Francisco.

There is especially a lot of black on Asian racism. Quite a few of elderly Asian people have gotten killed over this black on Asian violence.

The stories I have!

[KRISTINsf]

Originally Posted by goldenchild08

Although SF and Oakland hoods may be more integrated, they are not free from racial tensions by any means. Historically, when neighborhoods like HP were a lot Blacker, Black on Asian racism was much more common. Read this article about how poor Vietnamese folks were given a hard time in Double Rock in the mid 90's:

LIVING IN TERROR | Full Page

Black on Asian violence in SF ghettos goes back decades. However, Black on Asian crime in SF is not inherently racist in itself. Blacks and Asians live side by side in neighborhoods like HP and Visitacion Valley and the racial tension isn't nearly as widespread, violent, scary and all-consuming and epidemic as say L.A. in 1992. This is because Blacks and Asians often share the same socioeconomic status in SF hoods. In fact, Asians have similar per capita income (or worse) as Blacks in SF.

Poverty Index

This is not the story in uber-racist L.A. in 92' where every single Asian person present in the Black community was as an uptight stingy disrepsectful liquor store, laundromat or deli owner profiting from the hard earned dollars, pocket change and welfare money of impoverished South Central L.A. Blacks.

Many Black kids in SF hoods target Asians because they are less likely to experience karma for it later. If a Black kid robs an old Black man in Sunnydale, that old Black man's young grandsons or sons might come back and retaliate. Asians are more of an opportunist target because not all Asians in SF's rougher neighborhoods are targeted for robbery:

Inside Black-Asian Violence--It’s Not About Race - New America Media

Let's please cut the bull****.

Blacks target Asians because of racism.

They hold RACIST stereotypes against Asians. Karma my a**. Blacks target Asians because they hold the RACIST stereotype that Asians will not retaliate against them because of perceived weakness. It is RACISM, not karma.

Plain and simple.

[bigdumbgod]

Originally Posted by KRISTINsf

Plain and simple.

Nice when complex issues are whittled down to this, no?

[KRISTINsf]

Originally Posted by bigdumbgod

Nice when complex issues are whittled down to this, no?

Nice when RACIST ISSUES against the Asian residents of the Bay are whittled down to this, no?

So the old Asian man that was thrown off the bus station by a pack of black teens in SF is a "complex issue." Laughable! I call it like I see it. There is a constant front of racial harassment/violence against Asians by the black residents of SF.

There have also been quite a few Asian residents who have been MURDERED over these racist tragedies.

LAUGHABLE!

[BajanYankee]

Originally Posted by goldenchild08

The "there goes the neighborhood" White flight movements that occurred in SF also occurred in much greater magnitude in cities like Detroit, Baltimore, DC and every other Black majority city in America.

That's because there were more blacks in Detroit, Baltimore and DC to flee from. It's not because people in San Francisco, on a whole, were just more tolerant than people in Washington, DC. The District of Columbia, I believe, was about 84 percent black in the 1970s. If SF had that type of black migration into the city, then people would have abandoned their beautiful homes and neighborhoods faster than you could say "Let's move to a distant suburb and price undesirable minorities out through large lot single-family home zoning."

[Nineties Flava]

Originally Posted by KRISTINsf

Nice when RACIST ISSUES against the Asian residents of the Bay are whittled down to this, no?

So the old Asian man that was thrown off the bus station by a pack of black teens in SF is a "complex issue." Laughable! I call it like I see it. There is a constant front of racial harassment/violence against Asians by the black residents of SF.

There have also been quite a few Asian residents who have been MURDERED over these racist tragedies.

LAUGHABLE!

You speak as though the racism is only one-sided when in reality its mutual.

[ringwise]

Originally Posted by jade408

My comment has nothing to do with slavery. We are barely a generation out of segregation and "separate but equal." You don't think that has a long term impact on someones potential success?

My grandad, after finishing up high school, even though school only lasted for 1/2 of the year so black students could work in the fields, could not find a job upon high school graduation. At the time only 15% of the local residents had diplomas, making him MORE qualified than the average person. He went joined the army and went to college. And still struggled to find a job because of racism. This same town today only has a 30% rate of people attending any college.

We have a lot of catching up to do to level the playing field.


And how often does that happen? If 2 people have similar qualifications, AA helps to ensure both people make it to the interview. It is a misconception that Joe Blow black guy is beating out Joe Smith for the job when he is half as qualified. That's BS.

More often than you think. Not just with hiring:

Firefighters receive $2 million in Connecticut discrimination case - CNN

[jade408]

Originally Posted by ringwise

More often than you think. Not just with hiring:

Firefighters receive $2 million in Connecticut discrimination case - CNN

Firefighters have so many problems with unfair hiring practices. It is so much of a good old boy club.

On the flipside, NYC had the reverse problem: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/28/ny...pagewanted=all

It happens, but there is an abundance of evidence that people are having problems even getting in the door: In Job Hunt, College Degree Can’t Close Racial Gap - NYTimes.com

I don't have the links handy about name bias in hiring decisions. We focus on so called "black names" not faring well in the job hunt. But this is also true of latin, asian, and african names. I've experienced this first hand when sitting in the hiring chair. Other people were quick to move resumes to the unqualified stack if they had clearly asian names or asian educational pedigrees.

There have been a few studies where they used the same resume with different "ethnic" names and an all-american one. In each case, the ethnic names received 1/3 of the call backs as the "all-american" name. The same thing happens with looking for rental housing.

So for every case of "white discrimination" I wonder how many incidents of minority discrimination go unreported and uncounted -- it is impossible to know you were discriminated against if you don't even get invited to the front door.

[KRISTINsf]

Originally Posted by Nineties Flava

You speak as though the racism is only one-sided when in reality its mutual.

Are you joking me!?

1. Tell that to the old Asian man who was savagely murdered by a pack of racist black youths. He was thrown down a bus station and left to die.

2. Tell that to the 30 or so Asian youths who were savagely beaten at Philadelphia high school.

3. Tell that to the old Asian man who was savagely murdered and robbed by a black criminal at Stonestown mall.

4. Tell that to the old Asian woman who was punched in the face and savagely beaten by a pack of racist black youths.

5. Tell that to the Asian teen who was beaten to death by a savage black youth in Oakland

6. Tell that to the UC Berkeley student who was murdered by another black criminal. He was shot to death. The poor kid was in his last semester at Cal.

7. Tell that to the five elderly Asian women who were violently assaulted in NY (this isn't even in SF!)

8. Tell that to Tian Sheng Yu who was savagely murdered by another black criminal. All he was doing was going out for some groceries!

9. Tell that to the Asian businessman who was shot to death by two black youths.

10. Tell that to Rongsi Chen who was robbed, beaten, had his ribs broken, and had $200 stolen by black youths

11. Tell that to the elederly Asian woman who was thrown off (yet again) a bus station in LA (you guessed it) by another black youth. The elderly Asian woman later died.



Yes, definitely equal over here. It's just that the Asians are the only ones being murdered and savagely beaten over here. Totally Equal!!!!