10-29-2012, 05:25 PM
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A team can certainly honor its past. I'm talking about current success. The Chicago White Sox have a storied history too but they haven't won it since 2005. At the time that was a wonderful accomplishment for the team, the city, and its fans. Eight years later that is all forgotten.
Yeah you're talking about the current success of the Giants at the same time trying to dismiss the history of another team but also say it's okay to honor the past. Kind of contradictory.
Also what "storied history" does the White Sox have? Especially compared to a team like the A's. I'm curious to here your interpretation of a "storied history" with them because I'm not seeing it.
Based on coverage I don't think the Niners are garnering that much attention/respect outside the Bay Area.
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But in sports you play to win championships, anything less is a failure. The Pats, Steelers and Giants are well respected because they have won titles in recent years. Now back to baseball, the Reds and the A's had their heyday - just like the Niners- but if a team doesn't win a title in a long period of time - or at least get to the championship game - fans are going to forget them.
Well then based on that you must agree the Giants were a "failure" for 50+ years?
They may not celebrate them but they won't forget them. Niners fans sure as hell don't forget all their championships and neither do fans of many other teams, REAL fans that is. As a Giants fans I wouldn't expect you or anyone else to "care" about the A's history but don't try to dismiss it either.
The problem i have with some Giants fans is that they act like it's always been this way with the team, especially the newer ones. Go ahead and live it up with their recent success, as you should, but don't try to act like you're the Yankees and you never had a crappy stadium with awful attendance either. Old time fans know this and give the A's the respect they deserve, newer ones with your attitude don't.
10-29-2012, 05:32 PM
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That isn't comparing the two BAY AREA franchises but the franchises with their NYC and Philly/KC days included. The NYC days clearly prop up the Giants quite a bit.
10-29-2012, 05:34 PM
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Yet many of those same people sure don't mind pointing out how the Niners are one of the greatest NFL franchises of all time. It's complete BS and a double standard.
1. the 49ers were the first team to win 5 superbowls + undefeated in the superbowl, have arguably one of the greatest head coaches in NFL history with the most impressive coaching tree in life, the g.o.a.t quarterback, the g.o.a.t NFL player, one of the greatest NFL dynasties in league history. all of this happening in the most popular sport in the country. and their success is more relevant and impressive
no team in any sport can claim they have 2 of the g.o.a.t.s in any position and its a rare occurrence where Jordan and Pippen aren't the most impressive 1-2 combo in pro sports when you compare them to Montana and Rice.
2. no pro sports team in the entire bay area has ever had the success the 49ers have had. in any sport.
3. a 49ers championship today >>>>> an A's championship today. or next year. or 22 years from now or 10 years ago. same applies to warriors, giants, raiders, a's, sharks, sabercats, stanford cardinal, bears, spartans, de la salle football, and whatever other sports teams there are in the bay area. everyone takes a backseat to the san francisco 49ers.
so no, it's not complete B.S.. the 49ers are THE number one pro sports team in the bay area. they've also been relevant in more recent memory than every other team aside from the giants and sharks. everything in oakland hasn't matteredin years, and the 2007 we believe warriors was a terrible terrible tease but welcomed break from the trash thats been coming out of oracle arena since the mid 90s
10-29-2012, 05:35 PM
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That isn't comparing the two BAY AREA franchises but the franchises with their NYC and Philly/KC days included. The NYC days clearly prop up the Giants quite a bit.
oh "bay area" right.. both the giants and a's pre-bay area data is included. stop it
10-29-2012, 05:36 PM
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sav858 your work here is done. These Giants fans will revise history in whatever way possible to make themselves the more storied franchise. Quite sad actually.
10-29-2012, 05:39 PM
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1. the 49ers were the first team to win 5 superbowls + undefeated in the superbowl, have arguably one of the greatest head coaches in NFL history with the most impressive coaching tree in life, the g.o.a.t quarterback, the g.o.a.t NFL player, one of the greatest NFL dynasties in league history. all of this happening in the most popular sport in the country. and their success is more relevant and impressive
no team in any sport can claim they have 2 of the g.o.a.t.s in any position and its a rare occurrence where Jordan and Pippen aren't the most impressive 1-2 combo in pro sports when you compare them to Montana and Rice.
2. no pro sports team in the entire bay area has ever had the success the 49ers have had. in any sport.
3. a 49ers championship today >>>>> an A's championship today. or next year. or 22 years from now or 10 years ago. same applies to warriors, giants, raiders, a's, sharks, sabercats, stanford cardinal, bears, spartans, de la salle football, and whatever other sports teams there are in the bay area. everyone takes a backseat to the san francisco 49ers.
so no, it's not complete B.S.. the 49ers are THE number one pro sports team in the bay area. they've also been relevant in more recent memory than every other team aside from the giants and sharks. everything in oakland hasn't matteredin years, and the 2007 we believe warriors was a terrible terrible tease but welcomed break from the trash thats been coming out of oracle arena since the mid 90s
Go ahead and justify your hypocrisy and double standards all you want but it still doesn't change the fact you, along with other Niners fans, are celebrating past championships. PERIOD. A Championship is still a championship.
10-29-2012, 05:42 PM
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oh "bay area" right.. both the giants and a's pre-bay area data is included. stop it
No kidding sherlock and with NY you do have an argument the Giants are better overall. But I personally rarely bring up Philly as the A's have been here for over 40 years now. Yeah it's part of history but I mostly stick to Bay Area baseball history.
10-29-2012, 05:43 PM
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Q: How do Raiders fans teach their children how to count?
SMH.
i think theyve bounced up from rock bottom aka believing in jamarcus russell because "he can throw 70 yards from his knees".
rip al davis
10-29-2012, 05:47 PM
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so no, it's not complete B.S.. the 49ers are THE number one pro sports team in the bay area. they've also been relevant in more recent memory than every other team aside from the giants and sharks.
Also how have the Niners been more relevant? A's have made the playoffs 3 times since 2002, Niners twice. I don't like the Raiders but they have been in a Superbowl more recently, not saying they are more relevant but just saying.
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Go ahead and justify your hypocrisy and double standards all you want but it still doesn't change the fact you, along with other Niners fans, are celebrating past championships. PERIOD. A Championship is still a championship.
lol i show you why the 49ers will ALWAYS matter and you chalk it up to a double standard.. you sound like a woman when ppl start arguing about why a man is a "player" when he plows thru many many women and if women do the same they're trollops. "omg double standard is unfair!"
but because the a's (and every bay area team) doesnt have the legacy the 49ers have, they will always play 2nd fiddle.
the a's are somewhere ahead of the raiders and below the sharks in terms of relevance in the bay area. certainly havent mattered in recent years like the sharks. definitely ahead of the raiders and my sorryass warriors
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People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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