San Francisco Values

[sonarrat]

Originally Posted by sliverbox

I can't help but think that if you were to compare say- Montgomery AL and San Francisco CA, the two are more similar than different. Both- whether they want to admit it or not contain large quantities of a certain of stereotypical people, both whom feel that their cause is the "superior" cause. On one hand, you might have someone who is highly religious and conservative both socially and politically living in AL, who is so entirely convinced of his/her own beliefs that they're blinded by their convictions and refuse to ever accept anything different. The same is true in San Francisco, where you have large quantities of extremely liberal people who- as another indicated- broadcasts this generic net over the "rest" of the US, labeling it as "Jesusland" or some other nonsense.

you mean like this?

There's no difference with that line of thinking. I've lived in both kinds of areas. Narrow mindedness is a universal trait no matter where you live. What is never acknowledged is that the majority of people everywhere are actually quite moderate. It is entirely possible to find value and merit on both sides of the table. It takes an objective person to find the balance.

Voting records show otherwise.

[sliverbox]

Voting records show otherwise.

Once again, you illustrate the point perfectly. That its easy to make extremely broad assumptions which are typically wrong and uneducated. Its not different than someone in North Carolina saying:

" All those people in California and the East Coast are a bunch of fruits and nuts"

Ironically, some of the biggest rednecks I've ever hung out with live right here in California. If we're going to break this down into a generic conversation, then it would probably be wiser to compare it for what it is: City versus Country. By and large, cities in most states are more liberal than their rural counterparts. For example, Louisville, KY is a fairly progressive, artistic city. Yet most of the state is rural, hence the state votes for Republican leaders. Rural California is also extremely conservative. If it had more people living in these areas, it would vote Republican too.

Likewise, states where cities contain the majority of the populace, such as NY, NJ, CA, and others tend to vote for Democrats. So the argument would be more about the values between cities and rural areas. I grew up in a rural area. Most of the people had been there for generations. Many were religious, but mainly because the Church was a central community center. Most people in these areas had been living the same lives as their forefathers, taking the same jobs as their parents, and so on. So its no surprise that with a level of "sameness" and comfort such people have, they will vote conservatively because they lead lives that are in fact based on 'conserving' what they have always known. Anything deemed a 'threat' or a change is voted down.

On the other hand, cities are full of a constantly churning populace. 50% of the population in SF rents. The same in many other cities. They tend to be younger and more mobile. They are less likely to have children. Many have families living far away. A lot of them move away once they get married and have kids, realizing its too expensive for raising families. The opposite is true for city dwelllers: They thrive on change and are accustomed to uncertainty. Its a way of life. Thus they vote more liberally.

I'm not taking sides here. Both sides have positive and negative aspects. Neither offer all the answers nor upholds all of the best values. But its important to realize that it isn't a simple matter of waving a wand over vast chunks of the country and saying:

That area is stupid, while this one is smart"

[forwardmover]

Originally Posted by wealthtrader

What are the San Francisco values that Bill O' Reilly refers to? and do you think these stereotypical values hold true for most San Franciscans?

Here are some general guidelines

If it feels good, do it.
If you're offended, you've got a problem. (SF is very narcissistic.)
There is no "right" or "wrong". "Immoral" is also not a politically correct word. You rarely hear it. "Its all relative"

Gay is "normal" ... even when 95% of the world is straight
Don't insult Gay people, but its OK to mock the Catholic Church.

Masculinity is OK for women. Femininity is OK for men, even if you are not gay. SF is actually backwards. Great place for gender-confused.

Very tolerant city, as long as you "conform to the Ideology".
When your philosophy gets discredited, you re-label it (ie "Progressive" )

Liberals like SF, until they have kids. Then, they move to the burbs (Walnut Creek, Marin etc). This is why SF has the lowest child-per-capita ration in USA.

Also, note that SF now has Universal Health Care (free health care), thanks to Mayor Gavin Newsom and Tom Ammiano.

Great place to move to if you have a communicable disease, or want a free sex-change operation. Become a city employee and receive an immediate $75,000 sex-change operation even of you have, say, a $35,000 per year job.

http://www.myhss.org/downloads/your_benefits/Benefits_At_A_Glance_Active_2008-2009.pdf (broken link)

[Zero Tolerance]

He's probably referring to the mentality, that most (but not all) Bay Area people have, of you can't say or do anything that offends someone else, even to the serial killer next door or the homeless person who just pooped on the sidewalk in front of your house. So you come home and your daughter has been murdered and raped, the police find the offender but the court is like uhhh I’m sure Mr. Bob didn’t really mean to rape and kill your daughter, he just sort of felt like it, and he promised not to do it again so we’re letting him go. If you’ve never been around a bunch of moral-less idiots, SF is the place you’ll find one.

[Stacy From Cali]

Originally Posted by Zero Tolerance

He's probably referring to the mentality, that most (but not all) Bay Area people have, of you can't say or do anything that offends someone else, even to the serial killer next door or the homeless person who just pooped on the sidewalk in front of your house. So you come home and your daughter has been murdered and raped, the police find the offender but the court is like uhhh I’m sure Mr. Bob didn’t really mean to rape and kill your daughter, he just sort of felt like it, and he promised not to do it again so we’re letting him go. If you’ve never been around a bunch of moral-less idiots, SF is the place you’ll find one.

You wasted your first post on this?

Oh, wait, was that offensive? Crap.

[hsw]

Not sure what "SF values" really are....

If not for decent nearby grub, most smarter, younger, wealthier PacHts residents would prob rather live in Woodside (and have a wkend place in BeverlyHills/Malibu)

City of SF (if not for SiliconValley) would be about as socio-economically irrelevant (w/similarly hygienically-challenged population) as Seattle/Portland/Bos, etc....