San Francisco Values (Walnut Creek, Walnut, Malibu: live in, versus, move to)

[Milliano]

Originally Posted by mysticaltyger

San Francisco's government isn't merely inept. It's corrupt.

Is it kind of like Chicago's (corrupt machine), except the corrupt politicians do a bad rather than decent job?

[skatealoneskatetogether]

San Jose might tilt moderatly towards the democrates (even though the democratic part historically speaking has become more right of center).this does not make san jose liberal by anymeans. and please dont argue this i have a degree in politics so if you want to disguss this message me. and i dont like to spell or get corrected so please lighten up a bit... it is the internet.

[skatealoneskatetogether]

Originally Posted by Milliano

Is it kind of like Chicago's (corrupt machine), except the corrupt politicians do a bad rather than decent job?

Um no, San Frans politics do not resemble Chicago's politics in the least. In terms of comparable local politics we are more like Portland. Chicago is more like washington dc, in the late 80's-mid 90's.

[green_mariner]

Originally Posted by Alexus

As one poster from the Connecticut forum put it (in quoting a New Yorker), and I paraphrase here to refer to San Francisco, San Francisco is a "lonely man's paradise." In this city, you can deviate from reality and a sense of normalcy, explore the fringes of morality, and come out of the closet. Walking around with red hair and lime green or yellow sunglasses doesn't appear out of the ordinary, even if you're wearing a a suit and tie. You can have an endless stream of acquaintances and no friends, feel completely worthless as a human being, near suicidal, yet appear happy as a lark. You can carry on conversations with people for years, not once talking about anything but yourself. The nice weather somehow excuses shallowness, encourages frivolity, and gives one a false sense of superiority. Your neighbors you've never seen or spoken to, but because they are of a different race, you call it diversity. The city considers itself very liberal, yet the Golden Gate Bridge "connects" SF to Marin and the Bay Bridge "separates" SF from Oakland. San Francisco values.

I think sometimes a lonely man's paradise is the obnly environment some people can survive in because they feel contradicted in their own city, they feel unwated and unwelcomed for being "different", so the lonely man's paradise is what they seek.

[sonarrat]

Originally Posted by Milliano

Is it kind of like Chicago's (corrupt machine), except the corrupt politicians do a bad rather than decent job?

More like the corrupt politicians come up with their policies while smoking the funny grass..

[cowpunkrva]

>On the other hand,
>It plays out real well in podunk redneckvilles across Jesusland. Hallelujah.

Oh so tolerant and openminded right? This is what Bill O'Reilly means by San Fransisco values. I don't like Bill O'Reilly, but he is right about this. You probably call yourself progressive, but this is you attitude towards America's working class. San Fransisco likes to brag about how it has no ghettos. That's because people of modest income cannot afford to live there. You are exactly the kind of person that the South Park episode smug alert is about.

[US-Traveller]

San Francisco is a wonderful city, if not my favorite city. I can afford it too, but its politics keep me from living there. I'm LDS and am almost afraid to go to San Francisco now seeing as what has happened to some Christians in San Francisco.

[gizmo980]

You would be fine... I've had a few LDS friends/acquaintances, and they aren't treated any differently that I have noticed. Most people here don't care about that stuff - it's primarily media exaggeration & a few loudmouths that give us a bad rep.

[gizmo980]

Originally Posted by cowpunkrva

>On the other hand,
>It plays out real well in podunk redneckvilles across Jesusland. Hallelujah.

Oh so tolerant and openminded right? This is what Bill O'Reilly means by San Fransisco values. I don't like Bill O'Reilly, but he is right about this. You probably call yourself progressive, but this is you attitude towards America's working class. San Fransisco likes to brag about how it has no ghettos. That's because people of modest income cannot afford to live there. You are exactly the kind of person that the South Park episode smug alert is about.

Trust me, we have ghettos! I live at the edge of the worst one (Bayview/Hunter's Point), so I know all about our bad neighborhoods. But even so, I'd rather be in the worst part of SF than the iffy parts of Detroit/NYC/etc.

Speaking of smug... I was on 101 (in SF) the other day, driving behind a Prius with this license plate: NOTSMUG. I just about crashed, I was laughing so hard!

[sliverbox]

I can't help but think that if you were to compare say- Montgomery AL and San Francisco CA, the two are more similar than different. Both- whether they want to admit it or not contain large quantities of a certain of stereotypical people, both whom feel that their cause is the "superior" cause. On one hand, you might have someone who is highly religious and conservative both socially and politically living in AL, who is so entirely convinced of his/her own beliefs that they're blinded by their convictions and refuse to ever accept anything different. The same is true in San Francisco, where you have large quantities of extremely liberal people who- as another indicated- broadcasts this generic net over the "rest" of the US, labeling it as "Jesusland" or some other nonsense.

There's no difference with that line of thinking. I've lived in both kinds of areas. Narrow mindedness is a universal trait no matter where you live. What is never acknowledged is that the majority of people everywhere are actually quite moderate. It is entirely possible to find value and merit on both sides of the table. It takes an objective person to find the balance.