A friend just visited San Francisco and the main thing that left a lasting impression was...yeah, you guessed it... (Riverside: felons, camp)

[Matadora]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Are the homeless from those camps now:
Clean and sober?
In mental health care?
Housed?
Employed?
In long-term jail cells?

That's not my issue to worry about. Once you're an adult in this life you're on your own, and are responsible for yourself and your behavior as well as facing the consequences of your behavior. That's just the way life works Mutt. No one is here to babysit adults.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Matadora

No it really does not matter who is committing the crime does it? The homeless just make it easy since they are in your face with the crimes they commit.

Since this thread is about homeless folks and their behaviors it makes perfect sense to discuss the crimes they are committing. You are free to go and start a thread on crime committed by housed neighbors if you so choose.

Right. Some homeless commit crimes and inconveniences. It’s a fair part of the topic. But you still haven’t supported your claim to be knowledgeable of the overall issue, while others are not - beyond your front yard.

Crime is crime, whoever commits it against whom, wherever.
Littering is littering.
Drug use is drug use.
Mental illnessis mental illness ... no matter who, where.

When those behaviors are linked to lack of housing there are dynamics specific to the lack of shelter, food, hygiene and personal safety that exacerbate - and in many cases cause - the behaviors you are defending yourself against. You haven’t shown the slightest grasp of the root issues. You appear to believe these miscreants deliberately choose their misery and therefore are refuse ... and very tellingly, you seem quite content to kick them into the next neighborhood rather than address management for the benefit of all society.

[Matadora]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Right. Some homeless commit crimes and inconveniences. It’s a fair part of the topic. But you still haven’t supported your claim to be knowledgeable of the overall issue, while others are not - beyond your front yard.

Crime is crime, whoever commits it against whom, wherever.
Littering is littering.
Drug use is drug use.
Mental illnessis mental illness ... no matter who, where.

When those behaviors are linked to lack of housing there are dynamics specific to the lack of shelter, food, hygiene and personal safety that exacerbate - and in many cases cause - the behaviors you are defending yourself against. You haven’t shown the slightest grasp of the root issues. You appear to believe these miscreants deliberately choose their misery and therefore are refuse ... and very tellingly, you seem quite content to kick them into the next neighborhood rather than address management for the benefit of all society.

I get the root issues but it's not my responsibility to babysit, cater to or rehabilitate the mentally ill, the drug addicts, the criminals or the homeless etc.

If any of the above become a menace on society it's up to law enforcement agencies to handle it.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Matadora

That's not my issue to worry about. Once you're an adult in this life you're on your own, and are responsible for yourself and your behavior as well as facing the consequences of your behavior. That's just the way life works Mutt. No one is here to babysit adults.

Like it or not Matadora, some adults do require babysitting. And denying that reality is failing the society that is affected by their condition. Simply blaming them for their own miserable situations - rightly or not - doesn’t make it all go away. Does it? I haven’t condoned any of the behaviors you complain about. It’s just right in your face whether there are any excuses or not.

[tijlover]

Originally Posted by Matadora

It's really not a distorted view. SF has a huge homeless problem. It's in your face every single day because SF is only 46.87 mi².

SF Human Wasteland

Homeless problem? Not so! An out-of-control Nimby problem!

[Matadora]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Like it or not Matadora, some adults do require babysitting.

And denying that reality is failing the society that is affected by their condition.

Of course some adults require babysitting and if their family can't provide the babysitter then these folks need to be institutionalized.

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Simply blaming them for their own miserable situations - rightly or not - doesn’t make it all go away. Does it?

That's not what I've done.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Matadora

I get the root issues but it's not my responsibility to babysit, cater to or rehabilitate the mentally ill, the drug addicts, the criminals or the homeless etc.

If any of the above become a menace on society it's up to law enforcement agencies to handle it.

Lol. Fine! Now you have to create the laws that will allow, and society (including you) pays for the resources. Simply chanting “Lock them up! Lock them up!” isn’t getting it done, huh ...

[Matadora]

Originally Posted by tijlover

Homeless problem? Not so! An out-of-control Nimby problem!

I know reality flies over some folks head...thanks for demonstrating this.

Not only SF but many large cities in CA are experiencing serious out of control homeless issues. Keeping your head in the sand and blaming or pointing the the finger at the wrong folks for why this situation exists is not going to help one bit.

[skygazer1]

Originally Posted by TR95

You so have blinders on. The majority of people coming to SF are tourists and business people. Not hard to see that the homeless are everywhere right in the middle of office buildings and restaurants. Just try going to any restaurant at lunch from an OFFICE, and you will likely encounter homeless people, and they're not just laying on the ground like other places. They are screaming, taking craps and causing commotion. You just must enter your garage and never leave.

I can say Albany/Berkeley doesn't have a homeless problem to if I just leave my house, get in my car, drive to work and park in the office garage and never venture out. Unfortunately, that's not what people do, maybe you're an anomaly.

And, yes in a prior post I meant Russian Hill, not Nob Hill. What do I have to LIVE in SF to know what neighborhood I am visiting? My guess is you never leave your house. Or maybe your gazing constantly at the sky and not looking down to notice. Sounds like your Mr. Magoo.

Obviously, I can glean from your posts, we have very different lifestyles. I am self-employed and semi-retired, you sound like work in downtown SF and commute in from the east bay daily? So, yes I can relate to your frustration with all the homeless around the area you work, it really must major suck. I hate going downtown because its such a bad neighborhood.

BUT, what downtown isn't more rough than the suburbs? That's a universal demographic I think, and the Market St/Mission/Civic Ctr/tenderloin has historically been the worst part of the city, for ever and ever. probably back to when they started to rebuild it after the 1906 quake! 25 years ago there was less homeless types than today, but there was more drugs, rif-raff, prostitution, gambling, organized crime, biker gangs, you name it, every vice under the sun has been through that part of town throughout its history.

So what are we going to do about a bad part of town? It a bigger problem than just changing vices, you need to clean up an entire mind-set that creates and maintains a red-light district.

[Matadora]

Originally Posted by skygazer1

BUT, what downtown isn't more rough than the suburbs?

DT Houston...the 4th largest city in the US.