12-10-2020, 01:07 PM
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It's a pandemic, people will ultimately get sick. COVID patients make up like 12% of hospital patients in CC County. What does that say about our planning and healthcare system if an extra 10-12% of patients causes a crisis like this?
They get sick & many of them will need to be on a respirator. Some hospitals in different counties have units that are down to 3 or 5 beds AND that can change from hour to hour. It's not just by a number you read on the internet 2 days ago.
edit: AND...I hope it's not your family member or friend that needs ICU or a respirator. BUT....health care in a pandemic is the most important IMO. Our counties aren't shutting down...just because.
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12-10-2020, 01:08 PM
Location: SF Bay Area
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Nobody is disagreeing that we should've been better prepared. I can also make the argument that Trump should've never disbanded the COVID task force, so that we could've better planned and reacted to this at a national level.
Bring back those temporary hospitals and add surge beds imo.
12-10-2020, 01:09 PM
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AND compare the concern for other people's L I V E S. If ICU beds are filled to capacity...what happens if somebody has a heart attack or has to be admitted with a collapsed lung?
edit: there are limited respirators AND limited staff. AND when cases are rising, some staff is being hit too. You can't take health care in a pandemic for granted.
Like the lives you're ignoring in the example I gave you vs that really tough hardship
It would be nice if the hyperbole got toned down a bit, especially when anyone can see the small percentage of lives that have been lost.
Ultimately what will happen is the vaccine will be released. It will reduce the amount of deaths, but not come close to eliminating them (like all other infectious diseases). That amount of deaths will be accepted (like they have been for all other infectious diseases), and the zealots will flock to their next drama filled quest.
12-10-2020, 01:10 PM
Location: SF Bay Area
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They get sick & many of them will need to be on a respirator. Contra Costa ICUs are at over 80% capacity. Some hospitals in different counties have units that are down to 3 or 5 beds AND that can change from hour to hour. It's not just by a number you read on the internet 2 days ago.
They've been at 70-80% capacity since July 1st, so why all of a sudden this intense reaction now? Only 15% of available ventilators are even in use.
12-10-2020, 01:12 PM
Location: SF Bay Area
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Like the lives you're ignoring in the example I gave you vs that really tough hardship
It would be nice if the hyperbole got toned down a bit, especially when anyone can see the small percentage of lives that have been lost.
Ultimately what will happen is the vaccine will be released. It will reduce the amount of deaths, but not come close to eliminating them (like all other infectious diseases). That amount of deaths will be accepted (like they have been for all other infectious diseases), and the zealots will flock to their next drama filled quest.
Yeah I wonder if people realize covid will still be around even after most are vaccinated.
12-10-2020, 01:12 PM
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We should have been better prepared. What happened to those temporary hospitals they spend millions on in spring? It's a pandemic, people will ultimately get sick. COVID patients make up like 12% of hospital patients in CC County. What does that say about our planning and healthcare system if an extra 10-12% of patients causes a crisis like this?
Absolutely agree with this. If the state acted like a business, the first thing they would have done is worked on capacity (especially since all the talk was about a 2nd wave).
12-10-2020, 01:18 PM
Location: SF Bay Area
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Ha...WRONG.
You & Finper can keep yelling at rocks tho....you do you. AND we'll be working on making sure there are ICU beds AND staff available by doing what we have to do for 3 wks by listening to the experts.
Oops sorry,
18%
46 ventilators are in use out of 261.
https://www.coronavirus.cchealth.org/hospital
We've never exceeded 40% at any point in this pandemic.
And not all the "experts" agree with this premature lockdown hence why 4 Bay Area counties didn't participate in it.
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12-10-2020, 01:21 PM
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Absolutely agree with this. If the state acted like a business, the first thing they would have done is worked on capacity (especially since all the talk was about a 2nd wave).
Yes, but leadership gaps haven't just been lacking at the state level. The federal government could've done a ton of other things:
-Keeping the pandemic task force
-Clear messaging up front on the importance of mask wearing and social distancing
-Mandatory mask wearing nationwide
-Bringing all governors to DC to develop a consistent nationwide strategy (COVID doesn't know state/county borders)
-Manufacturing and distributing an adequate amount of PPE nationwide
-A nationwide strategy plan for testing/tracing/isolation
-Ordering enough vaccine from manufacturers early on (Trump admin turned down offer from Pfizer and others for additional vaccine)
Do you acknowledge any of this or do you simply think this is a California Democratic problem?
12-10-2020, 01:24 PM
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Yes, but leadership gaps haven't just been lacking at the state level. The federal government could've done a ton of other things:
I do get tired of your politicizing of this. Are you honestly telling me the 5th largest economy in the world couldn't find a way to increase capacity?
12-10-2020, 01:25 PM
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I do get tired of your politicizing of this. Are you honestly telling me the 5th largest economy in the world couldn't find a way to increase capacity?
Did I ever say they couldn't? Seems that you're the one politicizing things by harping on what CA has or hasn't done but ignoring the rest. We don't live in a self contained bubble.
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Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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You & Finper can keep yelling at rocks tho....you do you. AND we'll be working on making sure there are ICU beds AND staff available by doing what we have to do for 3 wks by listening to the experts.
