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Old 09-24-2014, 08:35 AM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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It is a bit too optimistic I think (if you combine an "Ãœber" and self driving cars, you could cut out 9 out of 10 cars) but what ever number it might be, less cars needed means the cars in use could be more expensive (to create / tend to) for the same user price or just cheaper for the consumer of course.

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I would still want my own car. I suppose it would depend on how much someone uses a car.
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Old 09-24-2014, 08:37 AM
 
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How are they going to get around the cancer problem that results from suppressing cellular senescence?
That would be a question for the experts not me.
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Old 09-24-2014, 08:41 AM
 
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I agree that each decade for at least the next 2 or 3 is likely to bring significant innovation when it comes to electronics.

So you think it will stop after 3 decades? Anyway we will hit the singularity in 2 to 3 decades anyway (2035-2045).

Again the trend has been obvious.

In the 1970's we had main frame computers that took up entire rooms.

In the 1980's we had desk top computers that had more processing capability then the main frame computers of the 1970's.

In the 1990's we had lap top computers that had more processing capability then the desk top computers of the 1980's.

Around 2005 we had smart phones that had more processing capability then the lap top computers in the 1990's.

Today we have wearable computers that are more powerful then the computers in 2005.
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Old 09-24-2014, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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So we have the end of the dr coming and now the end of the nurse.
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Old 09-24-2014, 10:59 AM
 
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So you think it will stop after 3 decades? Anyway we will hit the singularity in 2 to 3 decades anyway (2035-2045).

Again the trend has been obvious.

In the 1970's we had main frame computers that took up entire rooms.

In the 1980's we had desk top computers that had more processing capability then the main frame computers of the 1970's.

In the 1990's we had lap top computers that had more processing capability then the desk top computers of the 1980's.

Around 2005 we had smart phones that had more processing capability then the lap top computers in the 1990's.

Today we have wearable computers that are more powerful then the computers in 2005.
No, I don't think it will stop. It's just too far out to forecast. I can only shrug my shoulders and say I have no clue what will or won't happen.

And neither do you, for that matter...
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Old 09-24-2014, 11:00 AM
 
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I don't understand what you are looking for, the data is everywhere, computer power price is crumbling since 1890 and CPU power goes up! Still does! Just compare a PC from 2005 with one from today...

And if you can't imagine a neo cortex (6 layers of around 90.000.000.000 neurons interconnected) dreaming of parallel computers to run then I can't do anything for you (hint: it's ridiculously easy to treat in parallel).

So please, stop dragging in that "speed stopped @ 2005" because it doesn't matter and you have the proof just by comparing 2014 computers vs 2005 computers.
You are pre-supposing that a strong AI with far greater intelligence than a human being can be made and modelled off the same principles as a human brain.

I'm not convinced.
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Old 09-24-2014, 11:06 AM
 
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So we have the end of the dr coming and now the end of the nurse.
Assuming nothing goes wrong of course.

Interestingly enough, machines have been answering phones and directing people around for 20 years already, and they have not rendered humans obsolete. When I call an insurance company or cell phone company, etc., some part of the time I still need to talk to a human. So I spend the 5 minutes or whatever trying to get past the machine, which won't meet my needs, and then talk to a real person.


How do you know the virtual nurse thing won't be the same way? Perhaps they will fill some of the need that human nurses currently do, but it doesn't mean we won't need human nurses, just as the automated systems don't mean you never need to talk to a real person.
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Old 09-24-2014, 11:10 AM
 
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Kurzweil is basing his predictions on exponential trends, as we all know, so it seems most predictable to have the tech in the 2030s.

Today there is DNA origami which can deliver drugs to specific places, can compute (they claim C64 like power ) and is under 1um (the size that can be squeezed into a living cell without wrecking havoc).

They can grow them by the billion too BTW so if they can make these bots to go to neurons (the right place) and get past the blood/brain barrier, they "just" have to get around the communication problem, sending data to billions of nanobots.

If I were to predict a day when nanobots could interfere with neurons (in animals) I'd say in a couple of years if not earlier. When will it be mainstream? 15 years of development for humans and FDA approvals + some years and we are in the 2030s
I have already explained why you can't just point to one thing that is exponential and then assume everything else follows. It doesn't work that way, simply put.
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Old 09-24-2014, 11:13 AM
 
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Read the article maybe

They can turn telomerase OFF not on. Well if I have understood the article correctly anyway. If so I think the title is actually misleading.
Turn telomerase off?

Won't that create a condition similar to Hutchinson-Gilford Progeria Syndrome?
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Old 09-24-2014, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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No, I don't think it will stop. It's just too far out to forecast. I can only shrug my shoulders and say I have no clue what will or won't happen.

And neither do you, for that matter...
That is the definition of the singularity. No one can really predict what will happen after.
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