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Old 09-24-2014, 05:29 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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Ok, I finally watched it.

Yes, a lot of low-skill jobs are being lost to robots these days. However, at the same time, human workers are still employed in a wide range of tasks that seem like robots should easily be able to handle (e.g. truck loading and unloading).

I would want to know what determines when robots will be employed? If you look at loading and unloading jobs currently done by robots, and compare those to loading and unloading jobs currently done by humans, how do they differ?
The book they wrote, the second machine age, goes into a lot more detail. I have seen other speakers on this as well. As computers and robots get more advanced, and it's happening at a exponential rate, the more jobs they take. I have read that by 2020 a lot of the fast food, wharehouse, service industry type jobs will be gone. This will change the nature of the economy in less then 10 years.
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Old 09-24-2014, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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The same thing you've been saying for over 10 pages of posts.

And still just as flawed, for the same reasons.

Seriously, if you're going to repeat that over and over without engaging any counterpoints or acknowledging the problems with your argument, why are we wasting our time?

A robot can repeat it for you
There is only so many ways to explain it. I will continue to do my best to get you to understand why we will go from wearable tech to merging with it by 2030.
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Old 09-24-2014, 05:35 PM
 
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The book they wrote, the second machine age, goes into a lot more detail. I have seen other speakers on this as well. As computers and robots get more advanced, and it's happening at a exponential rate, the more jobs they take. I have read that by 2020 a lot of the fast food, wharehouse, service industry type jobs will be gone. This will change the nature of the economy in less then 10 years.
You are still trying to quantify the qualitative.

Sorry, your argument fails.

Next argument please, or you lose the debate.
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Old 09-24-2014, 05:38 PM
 
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There is only so many ways to explain it. I will continue to do my best to get you to understand why we will go from wearable tech to merging with it by 2030.
Which you still have yet to quantify.

If you can't define how merged you are with technology it's meaningless babble.
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Old 09-24-2014, 05:44 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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You are still trying to quantify the qualitative.

Sorry, your argument fails.

Next argument please, or you lose the debate.
Rather I win or lose this "debate" is not my goal on this thread. My goal is to provide information to people about fast changing information technology as we currently enter the wearable tech age then actually merge with it in the 2020's and the impact it will have on us and society. I know not everyone is going to understand it and that's ok. I mean 5 years ago I was told we will not have wearable tech today and yet we do. The impact it is having on our lives is something that society has never experienced and many people are saying wow this came out of nowhere yet I saw it coming. Now today some people say we won't merge with the technology in the 2020's and why yet when it happens it will have a greater impact on society and most people will say wow this came out of nowhere and I can say na I saw it coming for years.

Now if you honestly want to learn about it and understand how it will change society this is a PDF version of the second machine age that I highly recommend.

http://tanguduavinash.files.wordpres...njolfsson2.pdf

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Old 09-24-2014, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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Which you still have yet to quantify.

If you can't define how merged you are with technology it's meaningless babble.
Maybe this answers your question.

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Old 09-24-2014, 07:53 PM
 
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Rather I win or lose this "debate" is not my goal on this thread. My goal is to provide information to people about fast changing information technology as we currently enter the wearable tech age then actually merge with it in the 2020's and the impact it will have on us and society. I know not everyone is going to understand it and that's ok. I mean 5 years ago I was told we will not have wearable tech today and yet we do. The impact it is having on our lives is something that society has never experienced and many people are saying wow this came out of nowhere yet I saw it coming. Now today some people say we won't merge with the technology in the 2020's and why yet when it happens it will have a greater impact on society and most people will say wow this came out of nowhere and I can say na I saw it coming for years.

Now if you honestly want to learn about it and understand how it will change society this is a PDF version of the second machine age that I highly recommend.

http://tanguduavinash.files.wordpres...njolfsson2.pdf
What are you defining as wearable tech?

Does a cell phone in a cell phone carrying case count?

If so, that has been around since 2000 if not earlier.

How about RFID tags?

How about RFID tags in clothing?
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Old 09-24-2014, 08:05 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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What are you defining as wearable tech?

Does a cell phone in a cell phone carrying case count?

If so, that has been around since 2000 if not earlier.

How about RFID tags?

How about RFID tags in clothing?

Smart phone is not wearable tech. This is from Forbes:

How Wearable Technology Can -- And Will -- Change Your Business

In recent years, wearable technology has become a hot topic in the tech industry. With its tight relationship with the Internet of Things, many insiders have designated wearables for business as the next big thing. But while the most talked-about new wearable technologies—such as theApple iWatch and Google Glass—are either not yet widely available, or are only just beginning to make their way into customers’ hands, there are many other wearable products that have already established themselves in the market.

To many users, these new devices are often categorized as fun novelties and interesting gadgets, but others see them for what they really are: a game-changing influence with the potential to utterly disrupt the modern business world .

The link:SalesforceVoice: How Wearable Technology Can -- And Will -- Change Your Business - Forbes

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Old 09-25-2014, 01:19 AM
 
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Ok, I finally watched it.

Yes, a lot of low-skill jobs are being lost to robots these days. However, at the same time, human workers are still employed in a wide range of tasks that seem like robots should easily be able to handle (e.g. truck loading and unloading).

I would want to know what determines when robots will be employed? If you look at loading and unloading jobs currently done by robots, and compare those to loading and unloading jobs currently done by humans, how do they differ?
This is basic maths, you can buy a Baxter robot for 22.000$, it will work for 3 years.

Is it more expensive than having a human worker? Get the human.
Is it less expensive than having a human worker? Get the robot.

Now, what you seems to fail to see, is that robotics is partly an information technology (motors and batteries, if any, is not).

Baxter is economically viable Today in some cases, what will happen 2 years from now when he will be twice as fast? It will be economically viable in a lot more places.

Now, if you fail to see that information technology is on an exponential trend (please do tell!), so be it and future will tell who's right and who's not but I think you have to be blind not to see it.
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Old 09-25-2014, 01:25 AM
 
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Rather I win or lose this "debate" is not my goal on this thread. My goal is to provide information to people about fast changing information technology as we currently enter the wearable tech age then actually merge with it in the 2020's and the impact it will have on us and society. I know not everyone is going to understand it and that's ok. I mean 5 years ago I was told we will not have wearable tech today and yet we do. The impact it is having on our lives is something that society has never experienced and many people are saying wow this came out of nowhere yet I saw it coming. Now today some people say we won't merge with the technology in the 2020's and why yet when it happens it will have a greater impact on society and most people will say wow this came out of nowhere and I can say na I saw it coming for years.

Now if you honestly want to learn about it and understand how it will change society this is a PDF version of the second machine age that I highly recommend.

http://tanguduavinash.files.wordpres...njolfsson2.pdf
Heh, just put away that book to continue The Zero Marginal Cost Society! But I will pick it up after I finished this one.
I think it is a good entry point (for what I have read) but it also not that interesting if you have already read Kurzweils books. The part on innovations is good though.
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