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Old 02-19-2013, 11:00 PM
 
Location: Dallas-Fort Worth, Texas
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I've actually seen Obama labeled as a neoconservative. He's done things that true, principled liberals would never, ever support.
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Old 02-20-2013, 12:17 AM
JJG
 
Location: Fort Worth
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I've actually seen Obama labeled as a neoconservative. He's done things that true, principled liberals would never, ever support.
And yet, he's Fox News' biggest villain....
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Old 02-20-2013, 05:47 AM
 
Location: Austin, Texas
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I've actually seen Obama labeled as a neoconservative. He's done things that true, principled liberals would never, ever support.
This is what I have been saying for years.
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Old 02-20-2013, 06:16 AM
 
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I think that one of the driving factors behind our current fiscal situation is the fact that BOTH parties, not just one or the other, have been hijacked by the extreme fringes of their respective ideologies. Any Dem that votes for anything not in line with the uber-progressive camp does so at their own peril. Any Republican that votes for anything the Tea Party doesn't bless faces the same. As a result, most Americans that fall somewhere in the middle are stuck dealing with a looming financial crisis because educated, grown up types are both taking their football and going home. Nice one. I think there will be a price to pay on both sides of the aisle if sequestration kicks in. I would think there will be a large number of people looking for new employment outside the Beltway around the time of the next mid-term election. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
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Old 02-20-2013, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Colorado
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And yet, he's Fox News' biggest villain....
Clearly, you don't watch FOX. Your assertion is not accurate.

This Conservative does occasionally watch FOX and I get HUGELY annoyed at how so many of their news shows treat 0bama so gently. Sometimes I marvel that the Lefties have so successfully painted FOX as a Right Wing news source. I wish they were.


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I think that one of the driving factors behind our current fiscal situation is the fact that BOTH parties, not just one or the other, have been hijacked by the extreme fringes of their respective ideologies. Any Dem that votes for anything not in line with the uber-progressive camp does so at their own peril. Any Republican that votes for anything the Tea Party doesn't bless faces the same.
I have not observed this dynamic working on either side. But the absence of this doesn't appear to have the same driver.

It's well-known the hard Left Dems are also unhappy with 0bama. They wanted him to wipe out Big Oil and he merely impeded them. They wanted him to lead the charge to bring the Wall Street movers and shakers up on charges. (The irony is, as much as 0 bad-mouths Wall Street, they are some of his biggest donors. Strange bedfellows....) 0 certainly wasn't going to do that in his 1st term. Since he laments he's not Emperor Big Oil *may* be in for some really rough treatment by his regulators in this 2nd term. They wanted him to take over Big Pharma (more of his biggest donors) and that didn't happen. Et cetera.

The GOP "leadership" fears the (true) TEA Party members of Congress. They use the TP to help get Rs elected ... and Boehner immediately removed TP Republicans from key committees. I pray this *seriously* bites Boehner, Priebus (How did someone so ineffective get re-elected to that post???) Rove, McCain, et al in the rear!

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<snip> I would think there will be a large number of people looking for new employment outside the Beltway around the time of the next mid-term election. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
We agree on this.

- KK
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Old 02-20-2013, 09:42 AM
JJG
 
Location: Fort Worth
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Clearly, you don't watch FOX. Your assertion is not accurate.

This Conservative does occasionally watch FOX and I get HUGELY annoyed at how so many of their news shows treat 0bama so gently. Sometimes I marvel that the Lefties have so successfully painted FOX as a Right Wing news source. I wish they were.

- KK
Um, yeah, it's NOT the "Lefties" who have successfully painted FOX NEWS as a Right Wing new source...
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Old 02-20-2013, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Where I live.
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Why do so many of the lefties resent FOX News? It's the only one out of the entire bunch that even barely leans right.

The lefties have all of the others--CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, etc.......all of which are EXTREMELY left-wing.
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Old 02-20-2013, 09:59 AM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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I've actually seen Obama labeled as a neoconservative. He's done things that true, principled liberals would never, ever support.
Extending the Patriot Act is one very obvious one. He has continued many of the Bush "wartime" policies, which is a huge disappointment.
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Old 02-20-2013, 10:14 AM
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Location: Fort Worth
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Why do so many of the lefties resent FOX News? It's the only one out of the entire bunch that even barely leans right.

The lefties have all of the others--CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, etc.......all of which are EXTREMELY left-wing.
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Old 02-20-2013, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Central Texas
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I think that one of the driving factors behind our current fiscal situation is the fact that BOTH parties, not just one or the other, have been hijacked by the extreme fringes of their respective ideologies. Any Dem that votes for anything not in line with the uber-progressive camp does so at their own peril. Any Republican that votes for anything the Tea Party doesn't bless faces the same. As a result, most Americans that fall somewhere in the middle are stuck dealing with a looming financial crisis because educated, grown up types are both taking their football and going home. Nice one. I think there will be a price to pay on both sides of the aisle if sequestration kicks in. I would think there will be a large number of people looking for new employment outside the Beltway around the time of the next mid-term election. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
This, right here. And the extremists on BOTH sides will insist that it's not true about them and it's only the OTHER side that has this problem. Which, right there, marks them as part of the problem.

Getting pretty fed up with the whole perception of politics as "what's good for the party trumps what's good for the country every time" and as some sort of game of football where the team is the important thing.
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