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Old 09-29-2014, 11:24 AM
 
Location: The Bayou City
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How?

There are a million and one blocks with dust, parking lots, or shanty buildings.
some of the projects happening in midtown..

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Old 09-29-2014, 11:25 AM
 
Location: The Bayou City
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Just beating you at your own game
HA, by posting some silly review of a park? next time point them towards Houston if they want great parks..
 
Old 09-29-2014, 11:38 AM
 
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it sure looks like you just said you wish developers would start building in the loop instead of out in the energy corridor...

either way. both are happening at a rapid pace. it could be argued that having urban centers spread throughout town is better for traffic flow so there isnt a mass influx of drivers into and out of the core in the mornings and evenings. imagine if everything built out in the energy corridor and other urban districts outside of downtown were all built in the core.. 1) we would without question have the third best skyline in the US. 2) traffic commuting from the burbs would be even more horrendous than it already is.
It sure can be argued....Houston has been like this for decades and has had bad traffic for decades also.....
 
Old 09-29-2014, 11:40 AM
 
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HA, by posting some silly review of a park? next time point them towards Houston if they want great parks..
Which is basically what you posted first to convince yourself that discovery green existed.
 
Old 09-29-2014, 11:52 AM
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So you're saying that Citycentre isn't urban, walkable, or mixed use then? And the pictures I posted were of Midtown, not Citycentre.

You're trying to make a point that does exist. Houston has quite a few urban/walkable communities - both mixed-use and otherwise.

And what of the walkable communities such as Upper Kirby and Rice Village? Non-urban?
I never said they weren't urban, that Houston doesn't have a few urban/walkable communities, that CityCentre isn't urban, walkable, or mixed-use. CityCentre is so far from the urban "core" that it was comical that you referred to it.

If you can't gather what my point is then I'm sorry.
 
Old 09-29-2014, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Tysons Corner, VA by way of TEXAS
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It sure can be argued....Houston has been like this for decades and has had bad traffic for decades also.....
Yeah but the traffic is a consequence of simply having more people within a single contiguous area. DFW has two major cities and the traffic is and has always been more decentralized.

I plotted the TTI annual delay data from 1982 to 2011 for each metro with the following results. There was a big difference between the two metros in the 80s and 90s when both the Dallas and Fort Worth metros were much less busy in general. As the cities have come together and the suburbs exploded and the late 80s and 90s, we see what happened to delay in DFW - it caught up with Houston. Today there's not a big difference between the two on an aggregate basis contrary to what people tend to say. Lots of bad traffic in both, though Houston is a little worse in general.
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Old 09-29-2014, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Tysons Corner, VA by way of TEXAS
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I never said they weren't urban, that Houston doesn't have a few urban/walkable communities, that CityCentre isn't urban, walkable, or mixed-use. CityCentre is so far from the urban "core" that it was comical that you referred to it.

If you can't gather what my point is then I'm sorry.
No I don't gather your point because it doesn't exist. Midtown is a larger area than West Village and equally urban/walkable/mixed use and is in the core. Just as Dallas has multiple urban areas in the core (all generally right next to each other) Houston does as well, except they are still growing together. Some already have grown together and are cohesive (which we pointed out), others are not.

As far as CityCentre, it's not in the core, but you didn't specify that originally. Your original question was "is there anywhere in Houston comparable to West Village" and we answered it. Houston has densified all over the city both inside and outside the Loop. I don't particularly understand what you're still asking given these facts.
 
Old 09-29-2014, 12:16 PM
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No I don't gather your point because it doesn't exist. Midtown is a larger area than West Village and equally urban/walkable/mixed use and is in the core. Just as Dallas has multiple urban areas in the core (all generally right next to each other) Houston does as well, except they are still growing together. Some already have grown together and are cohesive (which we pointed out), others are not.

As far as CityCentre, it's not in the core, but you didn't specify that originally. Your original question was "is there anywhere in Houston comparable to West Village" and we answered it. Houston has densified all over the city both inside and outside the Loop. I don't particularly understand what you're still asking given these facts.
My point does exist:

Houston has no contiguous urban core. There's blight separating each of your districts. Midtown is larger than West Village, but it has nowhere near the popularity, density, overall appeal as West Village. That's exactly why it's lacking comparatively...it's too spread out. Too much room to fill. Density will be obtained in a relatively long time given the land area.

I'm sorry for confusing you. It was more of a rhetorical question. I knew the answer:

Houston has nothing to compare to the density, walkability, and overall urban fabric of the West Village, MAC, State-Thomas, Uptown, Harwood, VP, West End.
 
Old 09-29-2014, 12:16 PM
 
Location: The Bayou City
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New York, Boston, Chicago, and Philly are all characterized by a massive contiguous urban core with highly-walkable dense neighborhoods. They all have urban cohesion.
you do realize that every one of those cities has zoning right? Houston is unique in that its the only major metropolitan area without zoning.

here is a video of one of Houstons latest preservation projects, turned into a new park in the 4th ward, and also showing some of the density just west of downtown..

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