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That someone close enough to the Ramseys, a friend or a worker, who was a perv, would plan to dress up like Santa Claus to lure JonBenet to sexual assault and death.
A lot of people could have known that JonBenet was enthralled with Santa. A friend or a worker present at a Christmas party who witnessed JonBenet eagerly jumping into the lap of Santa Claus.
Santa Claus would have been a perfect lure. She would have gone with him the same way a child would go with someone who had a puppy. But what about the ransom note and the sexual staging?
Santa Claus would have been a perfect lure. She would have gone with him the same way a child would go with someone who had a puppy. But what about the ransom note and the sexual staging?
I can see the sexual staging......only it wouldn't have been staged.....it would have been what he really did to her to pleasure himself.
But the note? You're right, that doesn't fit.
Stuff like this is why I can't make up my mind what I think happened.
I can see the sexual staging......only it wouldn't have been staged.....it would have been what he really did to her to pleasure himself.
But the note? You're right, that doesn't fit.
Stuff like this is why I can't make up my mind what I think happened.
Okay, I'll make something up. She goes with Santa Claus and he kills her. Patsy has been awakened (by the screams?) and finds out what has happened. But she knows this Santa (whoever he is) so she has to protect him, which she does by writing the crazy note--or they write it together. OR she is threatened by this Santa who says he will come back and kill them all or says that he will tell that JonBenet was being passed around in a porno ring.
I have always had the feeling that Patsy and maybe John are protecting someone, that they know who did it.
I could never imagine who it could be. But maybe they were not protecting someone as much as fearing them, fearing blackmail from them, ruining their reputation.
Jon Benet did tell one of her friends that she was getting a special visit from Santa right after Christmas.
Maybe "Santa" had told her this. Who was he? The guy who played Santa at the parties? Or some other Santa? A Santa who was either so loved or so feared by the Ramseys that they needed to protect him even after what he had done.
Personally, as a parent, I find it difficult to believe I would protect any person I know, who killed one of my kids. Only another family member would get that type of loyalty. After all, if the child is already dead, time for comigm up with some cover up story.
However, I have sadly learned, after working with many dysfunctional families, that things occur behind closed doors, in "normal" families, that are beyond belief.
In the post above, there is a link to the transcript of questioning with John Ramsey. H seems deceptive to me. I don't know why. He seems to be making up any story he can to "explain" things. Like the pineapple. He is talking, and making stuff up, it sounds like to me. For example, if this occurred in my home, and my daughter had pineapple in her, and I had no clue how it got there, I would keep saying, "I don't know"...I would not start making up some odd story. Liars have a tendency to over embellish. What is he talking about how to make iced tea? Bizarro.
Something odd happened in that house that night. Why was a beauty queen, in the same outfit for over 24 hours?
Things I would like to see,
1. Print out on kilowatt energy for the home for that date, compared with other days the same month, more kilowatts used? Were lights on in the home most of the night? Or was the kilowatt usage the same?
2. All prescriptive medication in the home. Who it is prescribed to, and for what.
3. Phone calls made from home, and all cell phones registered in names of people in home.
I just don't have the information I want to really look at this objectively. It is frustrating.
One thing that creeped me out, was how many people, same as Elizabeth Smart, had access to the home. Workers, acquaintances, people coming over for parties, it was amazing to me. I know who comes to my home, very few people.
Okay, I'll make something up. She goes with Santa Claus and he kills her. Patsy has been awakened (by the screams?) and finds out what has happened. But she knows this Santa (whoever he is) so she has to protect him, which she does by writing the crazy note--or they write it together. OR she is threatened by this Santa who says he will come back and kill them all or says that he will tell that JonBenet was being passed around in a porno ring.
I have always had the feeling that Patsy and maybe John are protecting someone, that they know who did it.
I could never imagine who it could be. But maybe they were not protecting someone as much as fearing them, fearing blackmail from them, ruining their reputation.
Jon Benet did tell one of her friends that she was getting a special visit from Santa right after Christmas.
Maybe "Santa" had told her this. Who was he? The guy who played Santa at the parties? Or some other Santa? A Santa who was either so loved or so feared by the Ramseys that they needed to protect him even after what he had done.
I wasn't thinking of the guy who played Santa so much......I was thinking of someone who worked for the catering company that did the party......like a waiter. This waiter could have been in the house every time they threw a party and garnered a whole lot of information on the Ramseys and the layout of their house. Their friends may have used the same caterer for their parties too.
Someone no one notices but is right there in their midst. Seeing Jon Benet jump in Santa's lap, hearing about their holiday plans, hearing John mention his bonus to a friend, developing an obsession for JonBenet.
Okay, I'll make something up. She goes with Santa Claus and he kills her. Patsy has been awakened (by the screams?) and finds out what has happened. But she knows this Santa (whoever he is) so she has to protect him, which she does by writing the crazy note--or they write it together. OR she is threatened by this Santa who says he will come back and kill them all or says that he will tell that JonBenet was being passed around in a porno ring.
I have always had the feeling that Patsy and maybe John are protecting someone, that they know who did it.
I could never imagine who it could be. But maybe they were not protecting someone as much as fearing them, fearing blackmail from them, ruining their reputation.
Jon Benet did tell one of her friends that she was getting a special visit from Santa right after Christmas.
Maybe "Santa" had told her this. Who was he? The guy who played Santa at the parties? Or some other Santa? A Santa who was either so loved or so feared by the Ramseys that they needed to protect him even after what he had done.
That's why I think it's someone they have a money trail to. Especially if it was something deviant like child sex trade. I think they knew if they told on the person, it would either lead to illicit activities and/or multiple people the Ramseys were connected to. Not only would it ruin their reputation, they would both go to jail. One, they couldn't claim they didn't know the person. The person would show the money trail. Two, it were a family member or good friend/neighbor, they could claim they didn't know the person was a pedophile. Not so easy to do when there's money connecting you to the murderer.
I keep going back to that $118,000 ransom note, the exact amount of John's bonus.
What are the chances a stranger would know unless they talked about it, if so, who
else was told? The coincidence of the ransom note and his bonus is puzzling.
I'm sure the Ramsey's didn't publicize to anyone about what his bonus would be. Not something anyone, let alone wealthier people do. "Did you hear? I'm getting a bonus for such and such this year". Ridiculous at best.
Even if let's say some people close to them knew the amount, what would the chance be that they would be one of the "killer"? Or, did it spread to the "killer," just that one piece of data/information? Maybe like a spitball hitting the moon?
You have other facts, not hearsay like the long note written in the home, unheard of in any case of an intruder, that comfort level of writing such a long note. A psychotic couldn't have had the staying power of such a note and a juvenile would have been caught up in his/her adrenalin to run. An adult, more cool and calculating, would never have had a need or would have written such a long note is how I see it.
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And, this is very believable.........until you add the elaborate staging of JonBenet and the letter.
What elaborate staging? Anyone who writes a two and a half page ransom note obviously has some serious intention of carrying through with a kidnapping. This was not staging. This was an impromptu plan to kidnap JonBenet which was obviously abandoned.
Sooner or later, you have to concede to the fact that the ransom note was obviously not authored by a middle-aged mother of two. The note simply does not read like something any educated middle-aged adult would write, and certainly not one who is under the stress of having accidentally killed their six year-old daughter and is trying to cover it up. If you insist upon suggesting that it was written by John or Patsy, then you need to provide some evidence that either of them were suffering from Disassociative Identity Disorder (and good luck with that) causing them to regress into the personality of a 19 year-old. Of course, the more intelligent thing to do is to simply go with what is obvious: neither John nor Patsy wrote the note (and Burke obviously did not write it either). There is no point in beating a dead horse.
And realize that the authorship of the ransom note is the sine qua non of any theory suggesting any member of the Ramsey family of having committed this offense. Ergo, if a Ramsey did not write the ransom note, then JonBenet must have been murdered by an intruder.
I'm sure the Ramsey's didn't publicize to anyone about what his bonus would be. Not something anyone, let alone wealthier people do. "Did you hear? I'm getting a bonus for such and such this year". Ridiculous at best.
Even if let's say some people close to them knew the amount, what would the chance be that they would be one of the "killer"? Or, did it spread to the "killer," just that one piece of data/information? Maybe like a spitball hitting the moon?
You have other facts, not hearsay like the long note written in the home, unheard of in any case of an intruder, that comfort level of writing such a long note. A psychotic couldn't have had the staying power of such a note and a juvenile would have been caught up in his/her adrenalin to run. An adult, more cool and calculating, would never have had a need or would have written such a long note is how I see it.
I don't think so. I can see John and a close business friend discussing something like that at a party.
"Hey, John.....what was your bonus this year?" - - "$118,000, we really did well this year."
And two feet away stands a waiter with a tray of drinks.....taking in every word.
What elaborate staging? Anyone who writes a two and a half page ransom note obviously has some serious intention of carrying through with a kidnapping. This was not staging. This was an impromptu plan to kidnap JonBenet which was obviously abandoned.
Sooner or later, you have to concede to the fact that the ransom note was obviously not authored by a middle-aged mother of two. The note simply does not read like something any educated middle-aged adult would write, and certainly not one who is under the stress of having accidentally killed their six year-old daughter and is trying to cover it up. If you insist upon suggesting that it was written by John or Patsy, then you need to provide some evidence that either of them were suffering from Disassociative Identity Disorder (and good luck with that) causing them to regress into the personality of a 19 year-old. Of course, the more intelligent thing to do is to simply go with what is obvious: neither John nor Patsy wrote the note (and Burke obviously did not write it either). There is no point in beating a dead horse.
And realize that the authorship of the ransom note is the sine qua non of any theory suggesting any member of the Ramsey family of having committed this offense. Ergo, if a Ramsey did not write the ransom note, then JonBenet must have been murdered by an intruder.
What was the original intent of the intruder?
1. Burglary - Accidently discovered by JonBenet......kill her and get out quickly.
2. Kidnapping - Have a ransom note written ahead of time/leave a short note.......snatch her up and get out quickly.
3. Sexual abuse - Get her into the basement - have your way with her....get out quickly.
In each scenario.....it would have been foolhardy to stick around long enough to write "War and Peace" and risk discovery by the Ramseys.
The Ramseys are the only ones who could sit around, taking all the time in the world to write that long, rambling letter, without worrying about being discovered.
The letter does not read like something an educated, middle aged adult would write because they were under a tremendous amount of stress and were not thinking clearly......or...... the letter was deliberately dumbed down to make it look like they didn't write it.
Again, I am not saying 100% what happened.....we are all just kicking around ideas here......including you.
In case you haven't noticed, I have also put forth theories suggesting an intruder could be responsible.
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