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Old 09-19-2022, 06:43 AM
 
Location: Vermont
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It appears that they didn't draw the conclusion from the last series that maybe paring out some of the extraneous stuff would be a good idea. For instance, except that it tells us that he's a bad guy, which we already knew, why do we care that Daemon killed his wife that we hardly, if at all, knew existed?

On the other hand, hoo-boy! We haven't seen so much attention paid to a Royal Side Piece since, well, I guess since what's going on over in England right now.
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Old 09-19-2022, 08:21 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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It appears that they didn't draw the conclusion from the last series that maybe paring out some of the extraneous stuff would be a good idea. For instance, except that it tells us that he's a bad guy, which we already knew, why do we care that Daemon killed his wife that we hardly, if at all, knew existed?

On the other hand, hoo-boy! We haven't seen so much attention paid to a Royal Side Piece since, well, I guess since what's going on over in England right now.
I understand the paring for the show but some of it changed the whole narrative (Fake Aegon, for one, killing Robb's wife for another. Turned out her mother/uncle were secretly allied with Tywin for the whole marriage episode). Marrying Sansa to Ramsay instead of Fake Arya.

Now, those cuts did tighten up the story and made sense, sort of, in the universe.
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Old 09-19-2022, 08:27 AM
 
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I think this was the best episode. I did NOT see any of this coming. The fact that the princess knew that the guy she was going to marry doesn't like girls blew me away. She knew. He knew. His parents know. Ser Cole. The guy really believed in fairy tales. And it cost him everything.

I think they purposely made the fight scene in the wedding hall confusing so that we can assume Ser Cole attacked Joffry unprevoked. But we see Deamon with the princess right before the fight breaks out. There is more to this. What part did the queen play?
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Old 09-19-2022, 08:54 AM
 
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I think this was the best episode. I did NOT see any of this coming. The fact that the princess knew that the guy she was going to marry doesn't like girls blew me away. She knew. He knew. His parents know. Ser Cole. The guy really believed in fairy tales. And it cost him everything.

I think they purposely made the fight scene in the wedding hall confusing so that we can assume Ser Cole attacked Joffry unprevoked. But we see Deamon with the princess right before the fight breaks out. There is more to this. What part did the queen play?
Joffrey DID provoke Ser Criston—by spilling the beans that they both are lovers of the wedding couple
Ser Criston wasn’t going to continue that masquerade and maybe he killed Joffrey to ensure Rhaenyra‘s sin was kept secret—
Joffrey seemed like he had a big mouth and liked to boast—

OK—I haven’t read the original source—so just my POV
But this writing blows…
Ser Criston’s proposal was ultimately stupid—
There was NEVER a character on GoT that was that stupid—naive, trusting==sure Sansa was that
So was her father
but they were not STUPID!

I think the Queen means to use his anger and turn him against Rhaenyra—who tempted him to lose his virtue and said she was willing to continue—

From now on I am just reading the recap in the NYTimes—it is funnier and takes less time

And face it—the idea that a pool of blood from a murdered guest would still be around for the wedding is another just stupid effect—
The showrunners for this series are not very smart either…
GoT at least gave the viewer credit for being able to put 2+2 together…

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Old 09-19-2022, 10:22 AM
 
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I think they purposely made the fight scene in the wedding hall confusing so that we can assume Ser Cole attacked Joffry unprevoked. But we see Deamon with the princess right before the fight breaks out. There is more to this. What part did the queen play?
+Yeah, it sounded as though there was some kind of attack coming from outside the room, and then a big fight, and then what Criston did.
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Old 09-19-2022, 10:43 AM
 
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+Yeah, it sounded as though there was some kind of attack coming from outside the room, and then a big fight, and then what Criston did.
Actually it looked like countless fights when I taught high school. Everyone running to see what was going on and pushing people out of the way to get there.

It was a departure from the "canon" where the fight happened after the wedding at the celebratory jousting tournament. That was where Joffrey rode a Laenor's champion and Harwin Strong rode as Rhaenyra's.
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Old 09-19-2022, 10:44 AM
 
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PLEASE don't post things based on your knowledge of the books. It spoils it for everyone.

Please.
After last night you're falling behind in your chastisements.
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Old 09-19-2022, 10:53 AM
 
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https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/explori...d-roger-ebert/

IDIOT PLOT: ... an “idiot plot” is defined by the great Roger Ebert as one that is “kept in motion solely by virtue of the fact that everybody involved is an idiot”.


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Old 09-19-2022, 11:00 AM
 
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And face it—the idea that a pool of blood from a murdered guest would still be around for the wedding is another just stupid effect—
It appears the wedding, originally scheduled for a week later, was moved up to "immediately" by the King, in the face of what just happened. So there probably wasn't time for anything to be done, including cleaning. Note that no one else was in the room, other than the involved parties, so no cleaning people.


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After last night you're falling behind in your chastisements.
Did I miss a book spoiler posted? Sorry, I'll try to pay more attention.
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Old 09-19-2022, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Vermont
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By the way, what do you think the king's medical condition is? I suspect it's a systemic infection brought on by cutting his finger in the first episode (plus poor sanitation, lack of antibiotics, etc.). The NPR recap of last night turned it into a drinking game whenever there was some sign of his feebleness/malady.
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