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Yes. Like I tell anyone, and you just did in a way, if you don't like it JUST DON'T WATCH IT.
At the end of the day it's just a story, that's all. Like Romeo and Juliet (but with rape). I don't happen to like Shakespeare but don't go out of my way to criticize his stories.
Does this show have plot gaps? Of course it does, most do.
I also happen to be enjoying Rings of Power, which apparently, according to some people, is a character flaw I have.
Has there been rape in HoD yet?
Unless it was Vyserys and Alicent I don’t remember any episodes
And their romance isn’t exactly Romeo and Juliet
Has there been rape in HoD yet?
Unless it was Vyserys and Alicent I don’t remember any episodes
And their romance isn’t exactly Romeo and Juliet
I was going to use MacBeth as a story example but it ended up Romeo and Juliet. I didn't for it to be a story to story comparison but just an example of a story.
Has there been a rape yet? I don't know but being Game of Thrones there almost has to have been at least one. I might count Rhaenyra and Criston Cole.
My point is that the two characters most viewers have invested with are the two that are being replaced—
So viewers have to rebuild a connection
The Crown did replace leading characters after two seasons — after they had invested time and effort/writing in BUILDING characters
The jumps worked—because they were appropriate to the evolution of the scripts
We won’t know if these jumps are worth it
If the “meat” of the conflict is about the conflict between the three houses—then you could almost have started w/6 and done flashbacks to flesh out earlier plot lines
And gotten away with using younger actors for younger ages…
To know that Daemon has married Laena—that she in fact came on to him at the wedding despite knowing that in all likelihood he murdered his wife to get to Rhaenyra—seems to jettison all the previous angst over his fixation on Rhaenyra in just one dance…
And to show that HER parents really didn’t do any better job than with her brother
But maybe that is not fair to her parents—maybe she is like Daemon in that she wants what she wants—like Rhaenyra
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I really encourage people to write their own shows. Getting all the coulda, shoulda, wouldas outta the way and "lessons learned" from HOTD, I would imagine we could have future hit shows.
The show isn't paler than its predecessor because of the lack of graphic sex and gratuitous violence. The story just isn't as good. The characters are not as compelling. The plot has much lower stakes. Even the quality of the sets and costumes isn't as good. All in all, it is just an inferior show.
Upping the sex and violence won't change that. Increasing the pornography will not increase the quality.
I disagree. The story hasn't had enough time to develop yet. I don't know that my first time through GOT, at this point in the first season, that I was any more drawn into the storyline than I am now.
The second or third time through? Sure, the first season had a lot more meaning, and maybe people are erroneously comparing it to that. Watching the first season as a person who already knows the personalities of the characters and the future storyline is a lot different than watching it for the first time where every character is completely new, and there are holes in the story.
As for the "pornography" comment, I guess one man's pornography is another man's art. I generally don't consider most mainstream movie or tv sex scenes to be "pornography", but hey, I'm not that religious. I guess there are people on this board that consider Michelangelo's David to be pornography too. To each his own, I guess.
I really encourage people to write their own shows. Getting all the coulda, shoulda, wouldas outta the way and "lessons learned" from HOTD, I would imagine we could have future hit shows.
We are the audience
We can only throw words vs rotten vegetables or other items to indicate displeasure as they did in many other eras of theater
I disagree. The story hasn't had enough time to develop yet. I don't know that my first time through GOT, at this point in the first season, that I was any more drawn into the storyline than I am now.
I remember when GOT first premiered. It was water cooler talk after episode 1. Lightning rarely strikes twice, and it isn't exactly fair to compare the two shows, since HotD came with a built-in fanbase and a lot of expectations that its predecessor didn't.
But the fact remains that in terms of writing, pacing, characterization, stakes, and design, HotD is an inferior show in every way. At least so far. Will that change? Time will tell.
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The second or third time through? Sure, the first season had a lot more meaning, and maybe people are erroneously comparing it to that. Watching the first season as a person who already knows the personalities of the characters and the future storyline is a lot different than watching it for the first time where every character is completely new, and there are holes in the story.
I can't be objective in that regard, simply because I read the books years ago, so I never went into GOT with no expectations like so many did. I knew Ned's fate. I knew Drogo was doomed. I was never watching it for the surprises.
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As for the "pornography" comment, I guess one man's pornography is another man's art. I generally don't consider most mainstream movie or tv sex scenes to be "pornography", but hey, I'm not that religious. I guess there are people on this board that consider Michelangelo's David to be pornography too. To each his own, I guess.
Sex and violence in and of itself is not necessarily pornography. If either advance the plot or develop character, they are a legitimate part of the story. But any time a sex scene or some blood and guts are put onscreen solely to titillate ... then, you're watching porn.
Sadly, it's become more the norm. GOT got very pornographic at times. So much so that it was comical at times. It even invented its own term: https://gameofthrones.fandom.com/wiki/Sexposition for the silliness.
I remember when GOT first premiered. It was water cooler talk after episode 1.
Water cooler talk where? If you look at the domestic viewership of the GOT premiere, it lagged way behind Sex and the City, the Sopranos, Rome and Six Feet Under. It just barely beat out the first episode of Entourage. Only a single episode of GOT S1 cracked 3 million viewers in the U.S. and that was the season finale. And that's not likely because of more subscriptions in the 90s considering population growth and HBO's subscription growth since the late 2000s. Those shows were simply bigger sensations than GOT was during their early seasons.
I didn't even know about GoT until people started chattering about the Red Wedding, and even then, I didn't try watching GOT until a couple of years later. I believe this was the case for a lot of people and you can even see this in the viewership numbers. Viewership took a pretty big jump between the S3 finale and the S4 premiere.
Water cooler talk where? If you look at the domestic viewership of the GOT premiere, it lagged way behind Sex and the City, the Sopranos, Rome and Six Feet Under. It just barely beat out the first episode of Entourage. Only a single episode of GOT S1 cracked 3 million viewers in the U.S. and that was the season finale. And that's not likely because of more subscriptions in the 90s considering population growth and HBO's subscription growth since the late 2000s. Those shows were simply bigger sensations than GOT was during their early seasons.
I didn't even know about GoT until people started chattering about the Red Wedding, and even then, I didn't try watching GOT until a couple of years later. I believe this was the case for a lot of people and you can even see this in the viewership numbers. Viewership took a pretty big jump between the S3 finale and the S4 premiere.
The number of viewers can’t be compared because GoT created (mostly) the audience for HoD
They are riding on GoT’s long coat-tails…
I agree GoT didn’t have a large viewership initially but HBO knew it was likely to be a cult following—which it was
And comparing it with those other series Rome is likely the best pairing because both are set as historical dramas, in warring cultures and has casts that while they were quality actors were not that well known to most viewers
I think that the plot quality might improve now that what was basically the prologue for this conflict is over
I think the showrunners made a mistake using Martin’s plotting/timeline
Novels and visual arts don’t always benefit from the same plotline
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