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Old 02-14-2021, 09:15 PM
 
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OK, so back to the medical autopsies and why I find the last three ( of the four hikers found in the ravine) particularly troublesome.

As we already know, there are few theories out there of what happened to this group ("avalanche" including,) and one of the most farfetched I'd say is some "spy" story with CIA/KGB whatever involved.

You can read about the author who wrote this book on it ("Death not far behind") of Alexei Rakitin.

Which I am sure is fascinating read, but I am not into that kind of stuff.
With that being said however, Rakitin's version stays very close to the original files, using a lot of info from there, and he goes to a great length to explore who these people were, that took part in searches, autopsies, their qualifications and the standard procedures of those times including, when it comes to the legal side of it.

And that's why I like to use the excerpts from his writing, because the original autopsies don't tell me much, since I am not all that familiar with the medical field terminology.

I do have yet another article on the condition the first five hikers were found in, but I won't touch it for now - I'll go straight to the last four hikers.

But before I'll do even that, I'll mention one more excerpt from Rakitin's book, that I find to be worth of noting. ( I don't care about his version of explanations - I'll just stick to a fact that he describes.)


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"The story about the forensic medical examination of the corpses of four tourists found in the ravine would be incomplete without mentioning a very intriguing nuance that has not been included in the case, but has been generating all kinds of guesses for several decades. In the memoirs of Henrietta Eliseevna Churkina, the very forensic expert who investigated the tent of the Dyatlov group in April 1959, there is an episode dedicated to this strange circumstance: “I was present at the medical examination of corpses, which was conducted by Boris Vozrozhdenny. I remember well when they took off their clothes and hung them on the ropes, we immediately noticed that it had a strange light purple hue, although it was of very different shades. I asked Boris: "Don't you think that the clothes have been processed with something?" He agreed."
Honestly, you don’t know what to be more surprised with in this simple-minded story - the innocence of a lazy person or the unsullied naivety of a fool.
It would seem that two experts - Vozrozhdenny and Churkina - people with higher education, competent in some very highly specialized issues, are involved in the description and study of the corpses of dead people and their belongings in the framework of the investigation of a very extraordinary criminal case. By virtue of their position they simply had to try squeeze all available information from all possible sources.
They have before their eyes a certain unusual phenomenon - the appearance of a strange purple tint in the color of the clothes of the deceased - and it would seem that they should make every possible effort to understand the nature of this phenomenon. And what are these competent miracle specialists doing? Yes, absolutely nothing. You might think that people living on Earth have clothes dyed in purple tones and shades by themselves every day ... well, or every other day. That is why you should not be particularly surprised at this, you will think what a trifle: today the clothes of the "Dyatlovites" acquired some dye in the ravine, and tomorrow it will happen to our clothes. Nothing unusual, it can happen to anyone, right?"


But I guess they simply didn't know what to make of it, plus they were really pathologists, and not "rocket scientists" of some kind.

So next we'll proceed to the autopsies of the last four hikers, that I find particularly troublesome.

( I translate everything through google and tweak it a bit, so if by any chance you'll encounter something like "Renaissance" - it's literally the last name of the pathologist translated into English (B. A. Vozrozhdenny.) I simply didn't catch it in time to fix it.

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Old 02-14-2021, 09:47 PM
 
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One more time, let's keep in mind, that all hikers left the tent on their own, (at least that's what their tracks indicated,) all nine of them were moving just fine ( which wouldn't indicate the kind of injuries that we'll see in autopsy descriptions.)

If they would have anything mortal like that, they wouldn't have been able to make it anywhere, least of all a distance of over 1,500 meters to the nearest forest ( about 40 minutes walk,) and from there - to the ravine.

This would be physically impossible.

So whatever happened to them, happened already when they were there - in the forest and in the ravine.

So this is the autopsy of Ludmila Dubinina, one of the last four hikers found in the ravine in May of 1959, after the snow already melted somewhat.

( I have links to both - to the original file and what A. Rakitin writes in his book. He obviously *deciphers* it much better.)

"During an external examination of the body, Vozrozhdenny discovered the following injuries (see the corresponding anatomical diagram):
- the absence of soft tissues in the region of the brow ridges, nose bridge, eye sockets and left temporomandibular region.
- in the area of ​​the left parietal bone, a soft tissue defect measuring 4.0 * 4.0 cm, the bottom of which is the exposed parietal bone (pos. 7);
- eyeballs are absent (pos. 1). The Act does not indicate the reason for their disappearance. According to the meaning of the phrase, it can be concluded that the eyeballs were not crushed, because in this case the sclera (the shell of the eyeball) would remain, which the expert could not fail to notice. Therefore, complete removal of both eyes has taken place;
- the cartilage of the nose is flattened (but the bones of the dorsum of the nose are intact) (pos. 2).
Quite a strange damage, the explanation for which is not as easy to find as it might seem at first glance. The fact is that the human nose is a rather fragile structure and its back breaks even when a slight load is applied, and it breaks with a shift, skew, so that it is not possible to restore the shape of the nose even with timely and qualified treatment.
Most of all, the damage described in Lyudmila Dubinina's case, corresponds to a blow to the tip of the nose from the side; ;
- there are no soft tissues of the upper lip on the right with exposure of the upper jaw and teeth;
- there is no tongue in the mouth. During an internal examination, the pathologist ( Vozrozhdenny) will clarify this point as follows: "The diaphragm of the mouth and tongue is absent. The upper edge of the hyoid bone is exposed."

And that's it! Amazing laconicism, from which absolutely nothing can be understood. We have yet to return to the analysis of the stylistic features of this, and some other acts of forensic medical examinations, signed by Boris Alekseevich Vozrozhdenny;
- in the middle third of the left thigh - a spilled bruise of a bluish-purple color measuring 10.0 cm * 5 cm, with hemorrhage into the thickness of the skin. The bruise was located on the outer surface of the leg in front (pos. 6);
- advanced maceration of the fingers and feet of both feet. The skin from the terminal phalanges of the fingers slipped along with the nail plates;
- when feeling the neck - unusual mobility of the horns of the hyoid bone and thyroid cartilage (This is a serious indication of suffocation or blow to the throat from the bottom up, although it should be noted that the hyoid bones of girls and young women are considered more mobile than men).


On internal examination, the medical examiner found multiple bilateral rib fractures. On the right side of the body of the deceased, the 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th ribs were broken, the lines of their fractures corresponded to the midclavicular and mid-axillary lines (i.e., they were observed in the middle of the right side of the chest and from the armpit down the right lateral torso surface) (item 3 in the diagram).

On the left, the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th ribs were broken, the line of these fractures corresponded to the midclavicular line (pos. 4). These injuries caused significant hemorrhages in the intercostal muscles and the area of ​​the so-called *the handle* of the sternum (the upper part of the middle of the chest), which Vozrozhdenny also took note of.
In addition, the expert noted in the area of ​​the right ventricle of the heart "an irregular oval hemorrhage measuring 4.0 * 4.0 cm with diffuse saturation of the muscle of the right ventricle" (pos. 5).

This damage, apparently, was in direct connection with rib fractures, although the expert did not write about this directly in his act and did not indicate the cause of the hemorrhage in the heart muscle.
Diffuse infiltration of the muscle indicated the lifetime of the effect that caused the hemorrhage. This trauma itself is so serious that it alone would have been enough to cause fatal consequences.
In addition, the deceased had pulmonary edema similar to that observed in Yuri Doroshenko (literally in the text of the Act, this is described literally with the same words: "on the incision, the lung tissue is dark red, when pressed from the surface of the incision, a frothy bloody liquid flows abundantly" ).

In 1959, medical science could not explain the pathogenesis of acute pulmonary edema and, strictly speaking, they did not know how to deal with them, - all treatment was reduced to a primitive and ineffective method of "cervical novocaine blockade".

It was believed that the main role in the development of acute pulmonary edema is played by the failure of the central nervous system.
Such failures could be due to serious disturbances in the work of the heart (hypertrophy and dilatation of the heart, dyspnea-cyanotic attacks, etc.), in any case, medicine has already associated heart disturbances with acute pulmonary edema. Therefore, in the case of Lyudmila Dubinina, who received a serious heart injury, acute edema did not cause any special questions, Vozrozdenny could explain it logically and clearly.

But in the case of Yuri Doroshenko, ( one of the first five found) everything was by no means so clear, and as we remember, the medical examiner in his conclusion bypassed the acute pulmonary edema that he discovered during the autopsy with complete silence.

It was very strange that Lyudmila Dubinina had no tongue, and with it the diaphragm of the mouth (these are the muscles that form the bottom of the oral cavity and participate in the movements of the lower jaw). It is impossible to understand what happened to the tongue of the deceased from the document drawn up by Vozrozhdenny - this is not at all a reproach to the expert, but a statement of fact.

If the tongue had been cut out, there should have remained (in theory, at least) recognizable traces, but these have not been described.
It is difficult to imagine what natural reasons could lead to the disappearance of the tongue and diaphragm of the mouth. It is known that aquatic inhabitants, especially crustaceans, are capable of very badly damaging corpses in a very short time, but there can be no question of any fish or crayfish in a stream with melting water. It is also impossible to suspect the work of mice. In winter, mice can be active under the snow for up to 3 hours a day, but they do not feed on frozen flesh (all the more, they are unlikely to be able to eat a mass that is many times its own weight, which is calculated in grams).

It is difficult to judge the culinary preferences of mice and rats, but it is well known that they usually eat the protruding parts of the head - the nose, ears. If Dubinina had such injuries, then the disappearance of the tongue would not look so suspicious.

However, none of the Dyatlov group had traces of damage to the skin by small animals (the only exception is the corpse of Krivonischenko, the tip of the nose of whom was presumably cut off by birds).

On Internet forums, a version was voiced according to which the frozen tongue of the deceased could break off during transportation and fall out of her open mouth, but it is difficult to call such an assumption other than naive.

A frozen human corpse has the hardness of wood, but it does not shatter like glass or pieces fly off of it upon impact. In any case, forensic medicine knows nothing about the fact that parts of a frozen body can fall off during careless transportation.
The expert found about 100 cc of blood in the stomach of the deceased. "a mucous mass of dark red color" that got there, possibly due to the removal of the tongue.

Nothing similar to the "Vishnevsky spots" ( i.e signs of hypothermia) was found on the gastric mucosa, and when examining the brain, "poor blood supply" of the meninges was found.
Therefore the most important objective signs of deep hypothermia were not found. Moreover, Lyudmila Dubinina's fingers and toes were not frostbitten, which clearly indicated that by the time of her death, the girl was successfully fighting the cold. And it was not at all the frost and the wind that killed her.


The totality of the observations made by the forensic scientist prompted him to formulate the cause of the girl's death in the concluding part of his examination report as follows: "I believe that Dubinina's death occurred as a result of extensive hemorrhage in the right ventricle of the heart, multiple bilateral rib fracture, profuse internal bleeding into the chest cavity."
So Lyudmila lDubinina's death had no connection with the lack of clothing in conditions of being in the cold.
Since a quite pertinent question to an expert about the source of the fatal impact could arise, the Vozrozhdenny inserted into his act the following very significant passage:
“These injuries could have arisen as a result of the impact of a large force, which entailed a severe closed fatal chest trauma in Dubinina. Moreover, the injuries took place while she was still alive, and are the result of the impact of great force with the subsequent fall, throw or bruise of the chest of Dubinina. "

So comrade Vozrozhdenny prepared a very interesting document, and an inquisitive reader has the right to ask the author if he will have any comments? We hasten to assure: oh yes, there will be comments! Right in the next chapter ..."


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Old 02-15-2021, 12:47 AM
 
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WOW! Those are very strange details on the corpses...the incident as a whole doesnt make any sense whatsoever! (the taking of both eyes and tongue?!!) for what possible purpose could this have been done?!!!


Ive said this in other posts on this thread, but I really wonder if there are any details involved with this case, that are being kept from the public, (even today)?
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Old 02-15-2021, 01:28 AM
 
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WOW! Those are very strange details on the corpses...the incident as a whole doesnt make any sense whatsoever! (the taking of both eyes and tongue?!!) for what possible purpose could this have been done?!!!


Ive said this in other posts on this thread, but I really wonder if there are any details involved with this case, that are being kept from the public, (even today)?

Well you can finally see what I saw in the original files from the get-go, and now you might understand better why I completely dismiss the "avalanche" theory.

You might better understand by now the investigator as well, for whom nothing that he observed/discovered made any sense whatsoever too, until he came to the only possible conclusion of the paranormal, being the only viable explanation.

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Old 02-15-2021, 01:41 AM
 
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Well you can finally see what I saw in the original files from the get-go, and now you might understand better why I completely dismiss the "avalanche" theory.

You might better understand by now the investigator as well, for whom nothing that he observed/discovered made any sense whatsoever as well, until he came to the only possible conclusion of the paranormal, being the only viable explanation.
Well, even the paranormal doesnt make much sense...Ive never heard of any other incident, thats even remotely similar to this one...if these 'beings or forces' have the ability to do this, why is this the only time its happened, (before and since)?


The best guess I have is, 'something extremely unprecedented/significant' must have taken place that night...something that has never happened before, or since then. Not sure what to gather from that! LOL
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Old 02-15-2021, 05:56 AM
 
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[quote=rstevens62;60405080]WOW! Those are very strange details on the corpses...the incident as a whole doesnt make any sense whatsoever! (the taking of both eyes and tongue?!!) for what possible purpose could this have been done?!!!


Reminds me of wounds often found in cattle mutilations.
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Old 02-15-2021, 09:51 AM
 
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WOW! Those are very strange details on the corpses...the incident as a whole doesnt make any sense whatsoever! (the taking of both eyes and tongue?!!) for what possible purpose could this have been done?!!!

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Reminds me of wounds often found in cattle mutilations.

That's what I was always assuming, but lately I changed my mind.

I will need to explain why, but for that I'll have to proceed with autopsy report at least some more.
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Old 02-15-2021, 10:03 AM
 
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The softest tissue goes first. That is what insects do and that is what birds and predators do. Nothing really paranormal about that.
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Old 02-15-2021, 10:20 AM
 
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The softest tissue goes first. That is what insects do and that is what birds and predators do. Nothing really paranormal about that.

You are obviously not paying attention


"It is difficult to judge the culinary preferences of mice and rats, but it is well known that they usually eat the protruding parts of the head - the nose, ears. If Dubinina had such injuries, then the disappearance of the tongue would not look so suspicious.

However, none of the Dyatlov group had traces of damage to the skin by small animals (the only exception is the corpse of Krivonischenko, the tip of the nose of whom was presumably cut off by birds)."

With that being said however, her corpse was one of the most disfigured ones.
Not only she suffered more than the rest it seems from the injuries of unknown nature (other than Zolotaryov and Tibeau-Brignol,) but she was buried in a closed casket too, because of all this disfigurement.
From what I remember, her father asked to see her for the last time ( he asked to open the casket.)
He fainted.

I saw the pictures of her autopsy and I can understand why.

No other bodies looked like that, when it came specifically to the facial damage.

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Old 02-15-2021, 10:48 AM
 
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So why if a bird was suspected of cutting off one nose, are they not suspected of eating eyes and tongues? It is not a good reason to suspect paranormal.
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