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^Why can't England have 90 million ppl? Japan has 120 million, and is far more mountainous, yet it's doing fine. I mean yeah the economy is not doing so well but the quality of life remains high.
Indeed! Two of its closest neighbors Belgium and Holland have had population densities that are 30-40% higher than the UK for decades, if not hundreds of years, and they haven't noticeably suffered as a result.
Because the immigration issue features so prominently in the psyche of the leavers, when it gets right down to it you wonder what, exactly, motivates them.
Out of curiosity, is the freedom of movement that big of a concern in the UK? Does it bother everyone that other Europeans come there to work?
When I lived in Germany, there were a noticeable number of men from the UK working on construction sites ("Brickies"). English friends of mine have worked in France and Italy.
Not seeking a row. Just curious. Cheers.
I don't think it is so much about freedom of movement as about access to benefits including the NHS and social housing.
Indeed! Two of its closest neighbors Belgium and Holland have had population densities that are 30-40% higher than the UK for decades, if not hundreds of years, and they haven't noticeably suffered as a result.
Because the immigration issue features so prominently in the psyche of the leavers, when it gets right down to it you wonder what, exactly, motivates them.
Most of the UK really isn't impacted all that much by immigration with percentages of immigrants below the 10% mark.
London, on the other hand, has over 23% immigrants.
Source: House of Commons briefing paper, May 2016.
As I said above, there is concern over access to benefits. There is also concern that the rest of the country could go the way of London and, of course, concern over terrorists 'sneaking' in amongst the immigrants.
Give the man a cigar! Well said, and right on the money. Boy, it sure took us a long time to get here.........
Been saying it for 20 years. Not on here, but a vast posting history elsewhere.
Which does not mean to say I want to commit national suicide as a solution. Some of us are capable of weighing up options and evaluating. Though, evidently, not enough.
Out of curiosity, is the freedom of movement that big of a concern in the UK? Does it bother everyone that other Europeans come there to work?
When I lived in Germany, there were a noticeable number of men from the UK working on construction sites ("Brickies"). English friends of mine have worked in France and Italy.
Not seeking a row. Just curious. Cheers.
Yes, this is the major concern. The real problem is we have a government with their heads in the sand. We need homes....... millions of them. We used to have millions of council homes, with reasonable rents. Many were built in the 30s, but the real building took place after the Second World War.
Winston Churchill was thrown out on his ear in the 1945 election, and a Labour government came to power. Even under dire financial times, they set about borrowing money, and building homes. I lived on three such council housing estates myself in the 50s and 60s.
When Margaret Thatcher came to power in 1979, she set about selling off many such homes. The best of them were snapped up, many very cheaply. Council house building came to a dead halt practically, and the private sector was expected to take up the slack.
Many new homes were built in the 70s and 80s. I bought a new house myself in 1977 when a young husband with a wife and baby son. Things seemed to be working quite well with supply and demand reasonably in tandem. But house building slowed down in Thatchers recessions, and never really recovered.
Now, with massive immigration, housing supply is a major problem, and getting worse. For many ordinary folks, even renting is a dream, never mind buying a home. Something's got to give, and it will.
Most of the UK really isn't impacted all that much by immigration with percentages of immigrants below the 10% mark.
London, on the other hand, has over 23% immigrants.
Source: House of Commons briefing paper, May 2016.
As I said above, there is concern over access to benefits. There is also concern that the rest of the country could go the way of London and, of course, concern over terrorists 'sneaking' in amongst the immigrants.
I don't believe it is about benefits. It's sheer numbers, and the minority (mainly Bulgarians and Romanians) who are loutish, squat properties, fly tip and are generally a pain in the backside. Very noticeable though.
Most of the UK really isn't impacted all that much by immigration with percentages of immigrants below the 10% mark.
London, on the other hand, has over 23% immigrants.
Source: House of Commons briefing paper, May 2016.
As I said above, there is concern over access to benefits. There is also concern that the rest of the country could go the way of London and, of course, concern over terrorists 'sneaking' in amongst the immigrants.
Most big cities with considerable wealth around the world have foreign population around that percentage, the only exceptions are the Far East. For example, 50% of the population are foreign in Amsterdam.
I understand that London is really really expensive and the housing is an outright disaster, but population density is quite a silly argument. There are far denser countries out there and some of them are doing pretty well.
Most of the UK really isn't impacted all that much by immigration with percentages of immigrants below the 10% mark.
London, on the other hand, has over 23% immigrants.
Source: House of Commons briefing paper, May 2016.
As I said above, there is concern over access to benefits. There is also concern that the rest of the country could go the way of London and, of course, concern over terrorists 'sneaking' in amongst the immigrants.
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