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View Poll Results: Brexit
Stay in EU/Bydand 35 36.08%
Leave EU/Adios! 62 63.92%
Voters: 97. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-10-2016, 10:12 PM
 
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A lot of non Americans will cheer at the idea of destruction of American culture.
Unless it's replaced by Kardashian culture. Be careful what you wish for.....

 
Old 06-11-2016, 02:55 AM
 
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New poll gives Brexit 10% lead. Now we're talkin, hope it's not same fake yellow journalism.
 
Old 06-11-2016, 09:07 AM
 
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In 1986, Ronald Reagan was the President and Immigration Amnesty Act was passed which provided Amnesty to everybody who has entered the country before 1982. It was Ronald Reagan who increased the Non-European Heritage of Voters. Illegals cannot vote but those illegals who became legal because of Ronald Reagan can vote.


A Reagan Legacy: Amnesty For Illegal Immigrants : NPR
With a lot of promises from the congress of better border security and enforcement. But we all know that the Chamber of Congress wing of the Republican Party is all for unlimited cheap labor.
 
Old 06-11-2016, 12:53 PM
 
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Unless it's replaced by Kardashian culture. Be careful what you wish for.....
I think a lot of non Americans already believe Kardashian culture is US culture.
 
Old 06-11-2016, 12:57 PM
 
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Frank Luntz is a respected Republican pollster and focus group moderator in the US. He has a reputation for early identification of emerging trends. He has written several books on the subject, including "Words that Work" (It's not what you say, It's what people hear).

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IF YOU READ ONLY 1 THING: FRANK LUNTZ for TIME.com, on why you should care about the Brexit referendum 12 days from now (Thu., June 23) : "Brits have become canaries in the coal mine, offering Europe, America and the developed world a glimpse of what is coming in our elections. The Brexit question represents the political conflict rapidly spreading across the globe: Do hardworking, taxpaying citizens fundamentally trust or reject half a century of globalization, integration and innovation? Have the promises of the political and economic elite helped improve their daily lives? Or is it time for a rethinking and redrawing of our political and economic systems from the ground up?

"That's why the majority of British voters' heads may be with Remain, but their hearts are with Leave-and those hearts are winning out in these final days ... In a nationwide survey my firm completed June 8, Leave had 49% of the vote, Remain 47%, and only a handful of voters (4%) remain truly, totally undecided. ... It is truly too close to call. That, in itself, is an incredible story-given the range and resources available to the 'Remain' campaign.

"The underlying currents are moving in Leave's favor -and they are doing so worldwide. Having conducted extensive polling and focus groups in the U.S., U.K. and across Europe, it is clear that more and more people have come to reject traditional theory and party orthodoxy, wreaking havoc on the politicians and political structures standing in its way. ... Change a word here and there from the more emotional (and less intellectual, factual) Leave arguments, and they sound just like Donald Trump. ...

"Whether Britain chooses to Remain or Leave, British voters' trust in the U.K.'s, Europe's and the world's institutions will diminish still further, and the us vs. them mentality will continue to rise. Brexit is the beginning of a debate the developed world is about to have with itself, not the end." Brexit: Should the UK Stay in the EU or Should They Go? ... Politico's Kate Day weekly "Campaign Scorecard" UK referendum: Campaign scorecard – POLITICO

- Economist cover tease line, "Britain leans toward Brexit": "[P]olls [are] narrowing-as we went to press [Thu.] five of the most recent eight had put Leave ahead. ... Most Tory voters want to leave, and [Prime Minister] Cameron is ill-placed to woo young and working-class voters. Labour MPs confess shock at the Euroscepticism the referendum has uncovered in the party's heartlands." Jeremy Corbyn, saboteur | The Economist

--Drudge banner this a.m., "MASSIVE SWING TO BREXIT" - Links to The Independent's cover story, "Leave campaign opens a clear lead over Remain ... [P]olling carried out for 'The Independent' shows that 55 per cent of UK voters intend to vote for Britain to leave the EU." EU Referendum: Massive swing to Brexit ... See the cover. Saturday's National Newspaper Front Pages

--BUT, BUT, BUT ... Reuters today goes the opposite way -- "UK 'Remain' camp gains ground in EU poll, bookmakers lengthen Brexit odds," by Andy Bruce in London: "The campaign to keep Britain in the European Union extended its lead over the 'Out' campaign in an opinion poll [The Observer, the Sunday edition of The Guardian], ... while two major bookmakers offered the shortest odds to date on a vote to remain." UK 'Remain' camp gains ground in EU poll, bookmakers lengthen Brexit odds | Reuters
 
Old 06-12-2016, 09:33 AM
 
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I think a lot of non Americans already believe Kardashian culture is US culture.
What a depressing thought. Thank God I don't have television!!!
 
Old 06-12-2016, 10:44 AM
 
Location: South Wales, United Kingdom
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New poll gives Brexit 10% lead. Now we're talkin, hope it's not same fake yellow journalism.
That's quite a good lead - if true or accurate.
 
Old 06-12-2016, 10:48 AM
 
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Cameron: - No Norwegian Option!

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David Cameron: 'I’ll pull UK out of the single market after Brexit'


-- By Tom McTague
6/12/16, 11:54 AM CET
David Cameron confirmed Sunday that he will pull Britain out of the single market if there is a vote to leave the European Union at the upcoming referendum.

The prime minister told the BBC’s Andrew Marr show that it would be impossible to copy the Norwegian model by remaining inside the trading bloc despite being outside the EU because that would mean accepting freedom of movement and trade rules made in Brussels.

He said the Brexit campaign had made it clear to voters that voting to leave also meant pulling out of the single market. The prime minister said he would accept the result as an “instruction” despite warning that leaving would be like planting a “bomb” under the British economy.

There have been reports that the House of Commons, whose MPs are overwhelmingly pro-Remain, could vote against pulling out of the single market in the event of a Brexit. MPs could claim they were accepting voters’ wishes to withdraw from the EU while protecting them from the economic consequences of leaving the trading area.

However, the Leave campaign has made it clear that in order to restrict immigration and strike trade deals with countries outside the EU, Britain would have to leave the single market.

The prime minister said: “What the British public will be voting for is to leave the EU and leave the single market.”

This would create a “decade of uncertainty,” he added, as the U.K. attempted to renegotiate a trade deal with the EU and countries around the world.

“Far from not banging on about Europe we’d be banging on about Europe for 10 years,” he said.

He said a vote for Brexit was a “DIY recession” that could leave the government with a £20-40 billion black hole in its finances.

“Who wants to vote for a shallow recession? This would be the first recession that would be self-inflicted,” he said and admitted the referendum was on a knife-edge. “Nobody knows what these polls are saying. It feels like a very lively and very full debate.”

Ukip leader Nigel Farage, interviewed before the prime minister on the show claimed there had been “a shift” in public opinion in the last fortnight.

“Collectively people are beginning to put two fingers up to the political class,” he said.

Farage also dismissed claims there could be another referendum if the vote was tight. “If the leave side were to narrowly lose, the chances of Parliament giving us another referendum is pretty slim.”

The Ukip leader also risked controversy after blithely dismissing the threat of a collapse in the value of the sterling in the event of an Out vote. Asked about the consequences of a weakened pound, the Ukip leader said: “So what?”

A lower pound was good for exports, he said.
 
Old 06-12-2016, 05:18 PM
 
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Latest figures show that between 1993 (the dawn of the single market) and 2015 there were 36 countries – including India, Russia, China, America, New Zealand, Canada, Brazil – who did better than the UK at exporting to the single market.

All 36 are not members of the EU.

Britain will flourish after Brexit and Germany will continue to export 820,000 cars a year to the UK - a fifth of their total annual vehicle ouput worth 20 BILLION EUROS to them.

Don't believe the lies of Project Fear.
 
Old 06-12-2016, 06:54 PM
 
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Latest figures show that between 1993 (the dawn of the single market) and 2015 there were 36 countries – including India, Russia, China, America, New Zealand, Canada, Brazil – who did better than the UK at exporting to the single market.

All 36 are not members of the EU.

Britain will flourish after Brexit and Germany will continue to export 820,000 cars a year to the UK - a fifth of their total annual vehicle ouput worth 20 BILLION EUROS to them.

Don't believe the lies of Project Fear.
Those countries are heavily involved in manufacturing, the U.K. isn't. I'm not saying that the UK's service industry doesn't have a chance to flourish after Brexit, but I'm still not convinced how that is going to happen. I still haven't read about a Plan B after losing the benefits of the single market and the various trade deals negotiated under WTO rules.

What are the most recent proposals for the time after Brexit? Besides "don't believe the lies of Project Fear" and "you can be sure that we will come up with something better than the EU".
At this point the campaign seems to rely only on the slogan "Make Great Britain Great Again". A shame that this one is already taken.
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