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View Poll Results: Will the UK disintegrate?
Yes 158 33.47%
No 314 66.53%
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Old 08-14-2019, 08:04 PM
 
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Comments by posters that the US would prefer a weak EU, are wide of the mark. US would prefer a strong EU, to counter Russia on the military front, and help against China on many fronts.
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Old 08-14-2019, 09:05 PM
 
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Comments by posters that the US would prefer a weak EU, are wide of the mark. US would prefer a strong EU, to counter Russia on the military front, and help against China on many fronts.
Steve Bannon begs to disagree and he was Trump’s Chief Strategist in the White House.
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Old 08-14-2019, 09:14 PM
 
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Comments by posters that the US would prefer a weak EU, are wide of the mark. US would prefer a strong EU, to counter Russia on the military front, and help against China on many fronts.
On the other hand, a weak EU would enable greater American influence over a range of issues and still counter Russia and China. So actually not that far removed 'from the mark'.
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Old 08-14-2019, 09:21 PM
 
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It’s based on Trump threatening a trade war with Europe and with the expectation of tariffs starting as soon as November https://www.politico.eu/article/euro...ump-trade-war/

It’s in the interest of the US government for a weaker Europe giving the US the upper hand in any new negotiations.

This isn’t anything to do with the American people, it’s just politics.
Trump has us in a full-blown trade war with China, still trying to tell us that we aren't paying the tariffs while he brags about the money he's raking in from them.

If you think that he's thought anything through about the UK or the EU, think again.

Don't plan on tariffs in November. The September tariffs on China have been moved back to December.

Americans are not interested in hurting the UK or the EU. We are sick to our back teeth of shady deals from crooked Donny and Moscow Mitch. Don't drag us into it by saying America wants. . .put the blame where it belongs.
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Old 08-14-2019, 09:33 PM
 
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If you'd kept up, you'd know why I'm pointing this out.

In 30 years South Korea went from zero to the fastest growing GDP in the world. The UK won't reset to zero, but its credible that within that same period the UK could have the fastest growing GDP in the world. It's not impossible, and the only limitation is ourselves.

It cannot achieve that within the EU due to multiple drag factors from under performing economies, to over restrictive regulations.

If talking about the people and reasons as to exactly how South Korea recovered from poverty after the Korean War one just needs to look at the sacrifice made and thinking of the Korean people to achieve the position it has found itself in over the past few decades. Are the social conditions that avail in South Korea culturally acceptable or in the slightest bit desirable? The education system brings young people to almost breaking point, with the competition, expectations and super human effort often displayed. Such a system would be very hard to install in a UK like environment. I would say impossible, besides South Korea developed over very different times in a different world. Hardly easy to repeat same these days.
Besides South Korea trades heavily within its neighbourhood and not facing the exclusions


Of course Britain could reduce taxes to almost nothing, allow the financial sector even more deregulation in a race to the bottom where anything is allowed in that sector. They could set up tax free economic zones, that are allowed to pay minimum wages with little to no rights of the working people, that would encourage possibly international business, except of course the one small difficulty of access to the EU market place. If it takes years to formulate an economic treaty/agreement with EU, and remember Canada took seven long years to agree on one not really a great option for UK under the circumstances.
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Old 08-14-2019, 09:39 PM
 
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Trump has us in a full-blown trade war with China, still trying to tell us that we aren't paying the tariffs while he brags about the money he's raking in from them.

If you think that he's thought anything through about the UK or the EU, think again.

Don't plan on tariffs in November. The September tariffs on China have been moved back to December.

Americans are not interested in hurting the UK or the EU. We are sick to our back teeth of shady deals from crooked Donny and Moscow Mitch. Don't drag us into it by saying America wants. . .put the blame where it belongs.
So are you suggesting that a Britain that has crushed out of Europe, will not find themselves in a weaker position, desperately attempting to salvage something of a trade deal with the Americans, even if not in its own best interests, but desperately needing something to show and skewer somewhat the mess caused? All I can say, is read very carefully the small print and don't fall for foreign owned UK tabloids take on proceedings.
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Old 08-14-2019, 09:43 PM
 
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So you saw a TV programme a few years ago...

Meanwhile there are hundreds of thousands of British people actually out there making a living in Europe not crying over a daytime TV programme that was mean to British food, which lets face it isn't as strong as some other national cuisines in Europe by any objective measure.[/QUOTE]

Can you present your objective measures, I mean specific numerical data that can be objectively evaluated comparing UK cuisine and say French that proves objectively French is stronger by an objective measure of flavor? You did say any measure did you not?

The truth being of course is that British food is not highly thought of in France, rightly or wrongly. Lots of jokes around it, out of date, I might add, but' tea saloons' had a certain quality around them that did attract the French.
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Old 08-14-2019, 10:49 PM
 
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The truth being of course is that British food is not highly thought of in France, rightly or wrongly. Lots of jokes around it, out of date, I might add, but' tea saloons' had a certain quality around them that did attract the French.
UK food exports have been seeing double digit growth or close to for the last decade. That includes selling cheese and wine to the French.

Money does talk and the money is saying the UK is producing some very attractive produce.
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Old 08-15-2019, 01:01 AM
 
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UK food exports have been seeing double digit growth or close to for the last decade. That includes selling cheese and wine to the French.

Money does talk and the money is saying the UK is producing some very attractive produce.
It is what is known as a niche market. Having spent a considerable time living in France, old prejudices linger,not just around food but Albion in general. Hardly only a French conception though, as not so different vice versa.
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Old 08-15-2019, 01:08 AM
 
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"TRADE WAR" with China? You jest.
The DON is making much ado about his shifting of taxes. Remember, someone has to pay those missing income tax revenues that he removed for political purposes. The shift to import duties affects consumers - perhaps the rich - who buy made in China luxuries, or industries that rely on Chinese materials.
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