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Sit down, and really ask yourself - would Dean have been able to set up this business in Calais? I once saw a TV program (yes a few years ago now) about a guy trying to open up an 'English' themed restaurant in France (Normandy I think but can't quite remember where in France exactly), he complained that the locals wouldn't give it a chance and would actually actively scoff at him for even trying..........so as an experiment they went on to the streets of Paris with tit-bits of English food, on silver platters, being carried by glamourous women and asked people if they would like to 'try' - people tried, the food was well received in the main (as you would expect), and then they repeated the 'experiment' but this time they put little 'Union Flags' in the food - I'm sure you are not surprised to hear that the locals creased up their collective French faces and REFUSED to even try the food. Says it all really.
So you saw a TV programme a few years ago...
Meanwhile there are hundreds of thousands of British people actually out there making a living in Europe not crying over a daytime TV programme that was mean to British food, which lets face it isn't as strong as some other national cuisines in Europe by any objective measure.
This is pure nonsense. Why produce the strawman situation of starting at zero. We are not at zero, we are way ahead of zero with our current EU arrangements so there is no comparison to countries that were forced to start from zero. What we are going to do with a car crash brexit is to change from being way ahead of zero towards going back to zero which is a very different prospect.
If you'd kept up, you'd know why I'm pointing this out.
In 30 years South Korea went from zero to the fastest growing GDP in the world. The UK won't reset to zero, but its credible that within that same period the UK could have the fastest growing GDP in the world. It's not impossible, and the only limitation is ourselves.
It cannot achieve that within the EU due to multiple drag factors from under performing economies, to over restrictive regulations.
[quote=MnM258;55933568]So you saw a TV programme a few years ago...
Meanwhile there are hundreds of thousands of British people actually out there making a living in Europe not crying over a daytime TV programme that was mean to British food, which lets face it isn't as strong as some other national cuisines in Europe by any objective measure.[/QUOTE]
Can you present your objective measures, I mean specific numerical data that can be objectively evaluated comparing UK cuisine and say French that proves objectively French is stronger by an objective measure of flavor? You did say any measure did you not?
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You already trade with 90% of the world on better terms than you could possibly negotiate alone given the buying and negotiating power as a group.
Nobody's looking down their noses at the UK.
The UK decides if it wants the rules and regulations by voting for them, nothing is forced upon you.
The only fast deal on offer would be with the USA and that depends on the Irish border so its unlikely, but if a deal was agreed you can only imagine how bad it would be for the UK.
The US would hold all the cards against a belittled desperate UK with nothing to offer.
It would be a win win for the US though who want to weaken the EU.
When you say that the US wants to weaken the EU, what is this based on? Have you traveled around the country and heard this from people all around the country?
When you say that the US wants to weaken the EU, what is this based on? Have you traveled around the country and heard this from people all around the country?
If you'd kept up, you'd know why I'm pointing this out.
In 30 years South Korea went from zero to the fastest growing GDP in the world. The UK won't reset to zero, but its credible that within that same period the UK could have the fastest growing GDP in the world. It's not impossible, and the only limitation is ourselves.
It cannot achieve that within the EU due to multiple drag factors from under performing economies, to over restrictive regulations.
I totally agree. I don't see what benefit Britain has by carrying Greece and Italy.
If you'd kept up, you'd know why I'm pointing this out.
In 30 years South Korea went from zero to the fastest growing GDP in the world. The UK won't reset to zero, but its credible that within that same period the UK could have the fastest growing GDP in the world. It's not impossible, and the only limitation is ourselves.
It cannot achieve that within the EU due to multiple drag factors from under performing economies, to over restrictive regulations.
South Korea was about as poor as it gets in 1960, even getting a few basics of governance right would result in big improvements from there. It also had a rapidly expanding workforce through demographic shifts and an authoritarian government system that could push through GDP growth without the need to worry about civil society, human rights, democratic elections etc.
The UK is already developed, the demographics are an aging society and the government can't just push through things like that disregarding individual rights due to being a democracy so I really don't see any case that would suggest the UK could achieve those sort of South Korean 1970-1995 growth rates, and no serious economist suggests that could be the case, you are simply clutching at Unicorns there.
This narrative of 'anything is possible, you just need to believe!' that we hear from some of the Brexit camp is naive to say the least. Far from being 'credible' it's entirely 'incredible' that you would suggest this is likely to happen at the same time as severely weakening trade links with many of our closest partners.
Meanwhile there are hundreds of thousands of British people actually out there making a living in Europe not crying over a daytime TV programme that was mean to British food, which lets face it isn't as strong as some other national cuisines in Europe by any objective measure.[/QUOTE]
Can you present your objective measures, I mean specific numerical data that can be objectively evaluated comparing UK cuisine and say French that proves objectively French is stronger by an objective measure of flavor? You did say any measure did you not?
Number of Michelin star restaurants? Number of tourists saying they are going for the cuisine? I mean c'mon are you actually being serious here? Anybody with any experience of both cuisines from the two countries would say that French is stronger in regional variety, produce, and development of the indigenous cuisine into higher forms.
You would have to be very obtuse to argue the opposite and this comes from somebody who is a fan of developing British cuisine which I think is underrated. The history of the UK with early industrialisation cutting people off from the land (enclosures movement, industrial revolution etc) plus reliance on colonial imports during the empire era, then WWII rationing etc plus the obvious climatic disadvantages compared with further south all mean that British cuisine is not as well developed or varied as French, Italian, Spanish etc cuisines. There is no shame in accepting that, it's just a fact.
I totally agree. I don't see what benefit Britain has by carrying Greece and Italy.
Do you know the proportion of UK GDP that goes towards 'carrying Greece and Italy' each year? It is peanuts, and Italy indeed is a net contributor to the EU budget so really none of the UK GDP goes towards supporting Italy.
When you say that the US wants to weaken the EU, what is this based on? Have you traveled around the country and heard this from people all around the country?
I don't suppose the regular US citizen thinks much about it, but at a strategic level in the US federal government I think there is a notion that a united EU presenting one front for its interests is not welcome as it's better for the US to have multiple small countries acting alone that can be more easily moulded to support US interests by playing one off against another.
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