Virginia voters turning out in support of 2nd amendment? (Jefferson: real estate, home)

[Airborneguy]

Lots of states are going through this urban/rural divide and there will be a reckoning eventually. Urban policy markers pay zero respect to the ways of rural life when forcing their edicts down the entire states throat once they secure complete domination.

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by Airborneguy

Lots of states are going through this urban/rural divide and there will be a reckoning eventually. Urban policy markers pay zero respect to the ways of rural life when forcing their edicts down the entire states throat once they secure complete domination.

They are playing the game just like CA libs have. They know they can pass this crap and it stays law until overturned. That's the best part about what's happened lately. It will be overturned as unconstitutional unlike in the past when the courts would simply reject it.

Even here in CA we are seeing it happen. The Gov tried to play dictator and ban gun shows. Sorry pal, you'll get your day in court. It won't be pretty.

That and mass disobedience makes these laws unenforceable. It ends up being called "symbolism" which is a laugher all in of itself.

[16 Acres]

Originally Posted by tgbwc

Separate statehood? People might kick that idea around.

They already have, and as we speak.

By the way, I'm done here, lol.

[Kevroqs]

Originally Posted by BBMW

I'm wondering how all this is going to play out in 2020?

Did all these pro-gun voters NOT show up in November and are just waking up now to the reality that the Dems took over (and are about to shove strict gun control down their throats)? Or did they all come out, and in the end didn't have the numbers, and just got their a$$es kicked in the election?

If it's the former, and a big groundswell of conservative voters come out in 2020, it could have interesting implications beyond just state level gun control.

The problem is a lot of transplants from liberal northeastern states have flooded into the state and brought their voting habits with them.

This is the same junk happening in West coast states like Washington, Oregon, Nevada, Colorado with transplants from California.

[Kevroqs]

Originally Posted by 16 Acres

And it's not just Virginia. New York is another great example. If NY State formed it own State and broke away from NYC and the greater area of it, NY would then have very different politics.

Ask a Northern New Yorker if they ever think about that...

Parts of California want to break away from the coastal counties and form their own state.

I wouldn't be surprised if New York wants to do the same.

[Airborneguy]

We have a bill in NY right now to split the state into three separately governed regions since actually making a new state is pretty much a non-starter.

[Trevor92]

One of the challenges of forming a new state over the last few years is it requires approval by Congress, even if the state legislature is on board. The balance in the Senate is so close that one side or the other will object, based on how those senate seats are likely to fall. This might change if one party gains control of the federal government. Until then, a more realistic strategy might be for neighboring counties to petition to join a bordering state. I’m Va’s case, NC, TN, KY, or WV, all of which are probably more culturally aligned with Va outside of NoVA and might be willing to accept these counties. I really do wonder about the tension and if it might lead to rebellion or insurrection, depending on how aggressively these policies are pushed, this might be a peaceful out for both sides. It sounds like NY is also pursing an interesting idea of a separately governed region.

[gregir]

If the 'blue' areas of the state are so bad for the state as a whole is it ok that the money tied o the, is kept there as well?
Would the red areas be functioning communities without the support and transfer of money from the heavily populated areas,
the last time I reviewed the numbers that answer is no.
Whether its 2A issues or roads or whatever, should a relatively small number of a population be able to dictate for the majority?

[Trevor92]

Originally Posted by gregir

If the 'blue' areas of the state are so bad for the state as a whole is it ok that the money tied o the, is kept there as well?
Would the red areas be functioning communities without the support and transfer of money from the heavily populated areas,
the last time I reviewed the numbers that answer is no.
Whether its 2A issues or roads or whatever, should a relatively small number of a population be able to dictate for the majority?

I heard this logic a lot when I lived in Va Beach and worked with many people from NoVa. But this logic is viewed as elitist and arrogant from most of the state as it is interpreted that NoVa does not think their values are important and should be discredited because they don’t contribute as much to the state coffers. Most rural counties would gladly have NoVa keep their tax dollars local if it meant more local control over issues. Rural counties most of all do not control how dollars flow from Richmond and NoVa did not complain during the years the coal severance tax dollars were coming in. Get ready for taxes go up if the state puts on a concerted effort for state police or the Nat Guard to enforce this if the counties and towns do not.

Historically speaking, DC was placed in its location to border urban MD and rural Va, which included present-day WV and KY. Even into the 80’s Va was the state of compromise and both factions living together with Democratic figures like Douglas Wilder, Chuck Robb, and Rick Boucher representing SW-Va. This new strategy of forcing through legislation bitterly opposed by others, while claiming that other parts of the state aren’t worth listening to, is new and funded by liberal billionaires in other states. It’s not traditionally what Va has been.

[Watchman57]

HB 67 if passed will terminate any LEO who refuses to enforce their proposed anti 2nd Amendment laws... obviously VA has a State Gov bent on disarming its people by any means it can. And VA is a beta test...these tyrants succeed there it will spread... Whats happening in VA will not stay in VA... so all Americans who believe in the Constitutional Republic need to support VA and IF if these anti 2A laws are passed and attempts to enforce them using tyrannical force we all have a duty to stand with and defend VA!