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Old 11-07-2012, 05:25 PM
 
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I find it interesting that PG county went almost 10-1 for President Obama but defeated Marriage Equality by 49-51%
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Old 11-07-2012, 05:36 PM
 
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I find it interesting that PG county went almost 10-1 for President Obama but defeated Marriage Equality by 49-51%
The Black Church strikes again...
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Old 11-07-2012, 06:04 PM
 
Location: Hyattsville, MD
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I find it interesting that PG county went almost 10-1 for President Obama but defeated Marriage Equality by 49-51%
Not interesting at all. As a black man, blacks are typically very gullible, brainwash easily, and conform to age old ideologies and fallacies. Most black people are prominent christian church members, despite their African ancestors not believing in Christianity, the baptist church, etc.

What makes me utterly sad about blacks ... and kind of embarrassed to be black ... is I can't for the life of me understand how ANY black person can be against civil rights equality. Out of any ethnic group, blacks should be the most understanding and most liberal of all. We are barely fifty years removed from the whole civil rights movement stemming from racial segregation. That doesn't even include the hundreds of years of slavery. So it boggles my mind when I see black people—more vocal than many other groups—talking about how disgusted they are with another group of individuals (homosexuals) and basically promoting a modern-day form of segregation and inequality via acts like denying same-sex marriage benefits to a gay or lesbian couple. The level of hypocrisy is immeasurable.

And as I discussed with my best friend, I'm willing to venture that the VAST majority of black folk (not just the ones limited to Prince George's County) couldn't give you three viable reasons to vote for Obama based on educated fact, beyond the fact that "he's black" and "he's a democrat." It's just beyond sad and, frankly, quite sickening to me.
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Old 11-07-2012, 06:52 PM
 
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Not interesting at all. As a black man, blacks are typically very gullible, brainwash easily, and conform to age old ideologies and fallacies. Most black people are prominent christian church members, despite their African ancestors not believing in Christianity, the baptist church, etc.

What makes me utterly sad about blacks ... and kind of embarrassed to be black ... is I can't for the life of me understand how ANY black person can be against civil rights equality. Out of any ethnic group, blacks should be the most understanding and most liberal of all. We are barely fifty years removed from the whole civil rights movement stemming from racial segregation. That doesn't even include the hundreds of years of slavery. So it boggles my mind when I see black people—more vocal than many other groups—talking about how disgusted they are with another group of individuals (homosexuals) and basically promoting a modern-day form of segregation and inequality via acts like denying same-sex marriage benefits to a gay or lesbian couple. The level of hypocrisy is immeasurable.

And as I discussed with my best friend, I'm willing to venture that the VAST majority of black folk (not just the ones limited to Prince George's County) couldn't give you three viable reasons to vote for Obama based on educated fact, beyond the fact that "he's black" and "he's a democrat." It's just beyond sad and, frankly, quite sickening to me.
I couldn't agree with you more and have had similar conversations with some of my friends and family. The only reason I could think of for the general attitude of the group is the institutional impact of such doctrines as Willie Lynch and philosophies as Carter G. Woodson. I think it is that attitude that continues to present challenges with African Americans progressing at a desired pace.
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Old 11-07-2012, 07:05 PM
 
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Not interesting at all. As a black man, blacks are typically very gullible, brainwash easily, and conform to age old ideologies and fallacies. Most black people are prominent christian church members, despite their African ancestors not believing in Christianity, the baptist church, etc.

What makes me utterly sad about blacks ... and kind of embarrassed to be black ... is I can't for the life of me understand how ANY black person can be against civil rights equality. Out of any ethnic group, blacks should be the most understanding and most liberal of all. We are barely fifty years removed from the whole civil rights movement stemming from racial segregation. That doesn't even include the hundreds of years of slavery. So it boggles my mind when I see black people—more vocal than many other groups—talking about how disgusted they are with another group of individuals (homosexuals) and basically promoting a modern-day form of segregation and inequality via acts like denying same-sex marriage benefits to a gay or lesbian couple. The level of hypocrisy is immeasurable.

And as I discussed with my best friend, I'm willing to venture that the VAST majority of black folk (not just the ones limited to Prince George's County) couldn't give you three viable reasons to vote for Obama based on educated fact, beyond the fact that "he's black" and "he's a democrat." It's just beyond sad and, frankly, quite sickening to me.
It has to do with religion and the fact that black people cannot be LGBT. We all know that it's only a white thing.

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Old 11-07-2012, 07:33 PM
 
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Not interesting at all. As a black man, blacks are typically very gullible, brainwash easily, and conform to age old ideologies and fallacies. Most black people are prominent christian church members, despite their African ancestors not believing in Christianity, the baptist church, etc.
Sigh. Where do I begin? Blacks in general, are not "typically" very gullible. For every gullible black person, I can find you two gullible white persons. Gullibility has nothing to do with race. It has everything to do with ignorance and a lack of motivation to seek the truth on one's own accord. How many posters in here of all races fail to Google information that is readily available with a few keystrokes? And will argue up and down a point just as loud and wrong if they had only took the time to do 5 minutes worth of research. And let us not also forget that PG county was NEVER 100% black. Some of those 51% of opposed voters included other races. I'm black, Christian, live in PG, and I voted FOR marriage equality. So where does that leave your assumption now?

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What makes me utterly sad about blacks ... and kind of embarrassed to be black
This is sad. Never be embarrassed of your race. If anything, be embarrassed for those who make fools of themselves on their own accord. Your race is not the problem. There are people who may feel embarrassed for you for the way you voted. It goes both ways.

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... is I can't for the life of me understand how ANY black person can be against civil rights equality. Out of any ethnic group, blacks should be the most understanding and most liberal of all. We are barely fifty years removed from the whole civil rights movement stemming from racial segregation. That doesn't even include the hundreds of years of slavery. So it boggles my mind when I see black people—more vocal than many other groups—talking about how disgusted they are with another group of individuals (homosexuals) and basically promoting a modern-day form of segregation and inequality via acts like denying same-sex marriage benefits to a gay or lesbian couple. The level of hypocrisy is immeasurable.

And you single out the hypocrisy of a few blacks who voted against same-sex marriage rights in one county and suggest that the entire race is somehow gullible? You're way off. Perhaps you should rethink your assumptions. Whites make some choices that baffles both whites and blacks. Is the entire white race then "typically" very gullible? I can guarantee you I can find a white person and tell them Obama came from outer space and they would believe me. Yet you're embarrassed to be black because a few people voted based on their religious convictions? I agree, sometimes Christians, white and black, can be very narrow-minded. We've seen that these past 5 years and especially this year. Ignorance abounds. But to blame your own race because you disagree with how a few people voted is extreme. I disagree with a lot of people on the gambling referendum who voted against it, yet I'm not ashamed of being black. And I disagree with the fact that our own people don't give us enough credit for being able to exercise self-control around a casino and not gamble rent money every month. It's not a black problem or a low income problem. It is a mental problem that spans all socioeconomic backgrounds. Just because you may not see a lot of rich white people in a casino doesn't mean they don't gamble elsewhere. Wall Street. And trust me. They lose and win money every day on what are basically bets against unknown outcomes.

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And as I discussed with my best friend, I'm willing to venture that the VAST majority of black folk (not just the ones limited to Prince George's County) couldn't give you three viable reasons to vote for Obama based on educated fact, beyond the fact that "he's black" and "he's a democrat." It's just beyond sad and, frankly, quite sickening to me.
Perhaps you would feel more comfortable in the deep south? There's a whole bunch of folk down there that votes based on what they hear from the pews of their church. Rationality and reason be damned. And FYI, as a black Christian Democrat, I voted for Bush twice. Blow your mind yet? Or are you embarrassed?
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Old 11-07-2012, 07:37 PM
 
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I couldn't agree with you more and have had similar conversations with some of my friends and family. The only reason I could think of for the general attitude of the group is the institutional impact of such doctrines as Willie Lynch and philosophies as Carter G. Woodson. I think it is that attitude that continues to present challenges with African Americans progressing at a desired pace.

I disagree. Like I said, the same can be had with white individuals who tow the line no matter what without regard for knowledge, education, research, and self edification. This is not a race issue but a generational one. You can find gullible individuals in every race. Why do some states and districts only vote white or republican no matter what? McCain/Palin? Are you kidding me? Michelle Bachman?
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Old 11-07-2012, 07:45 PM
 
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I disagree. Like I said, the same can be had with white individuals who tow the line no matter what without regard for knowledge, education, research, and self edification. This is not a race issue but a generational one. You can find gullible individuals in every race. Why do some states and districts only vote white or republican no matter what? McCain/Palin? Are you kidding me? Michelle Bachman?
Actually my point was not about gullibility (should have been more specific). The part I agree with is that, considering the struggle that the African-American community has had with civil rights and fairness, that their should greater understanding of the challenges that other minority groups (ethnic or otherwise) are having navigating through our greater society.
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Old 11-07-2012, 08:38 PM
 
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This election was a good example of how politics doesn't really matter when voting for a President and what matter is whose flag you are waving. Romney was a very poor candidate and fluffed here there and everywhere, but it didn't matter, he was Republican, and that's what people voted for. The fact that such a nincompoop could run Obama close speaks volumes for this argument. It's never about specifics of issues or integrity and suitability of candidates, it's about sides. Republican/Democrat; Conservative/Liberal; Right/Left; Cowboys/Redskins, if you catch my drift.

While the referenda on specific questions is a wonderful advertisement for a democratic country, the Presidential election and the circus that surrounds it is not.

Signed,

A. Skeptic. :-)
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Old 11-07-2012, 08:41 PM
 
Location: DMV
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What makes me utterly sad about blacks ... and kind of embarrassed to be black ... is I can't for the life of me understand how ANY black person can be against civil rights equality. Out of any ethnic group, blacks should be the most understanding and most liberal of all. We are barely fifty years removed from the whole civil rights movement stemming from racial segregation. That doesn't even include the hundreds of years of slavery. So it boggles my mind when I see black people—more vocal than many other groups—talking about how disgusted they are with another group of individuals (homosexuals) and basically promoting a modern-day form of segregation and inequality via acts like denying same-sex marriage benefits to a gay or lesbian couple. The level of hypocrisy is immeasurable.
Honestly civil rights isn't all that it is cracked up to be. It's as much of a blessing as it is a curse. Some black people still use the civil rights battle as a crutch for the position that they are in. Some how the 'man' is keeping us from succeeding but we are some how able to elect a black president, go figure. Those same people are waiting for someone to come and bail them out or help them get pass their 'difficulty'. In addition to that, there are other groups, who also use the civil rights as a comparison for their plight, particularly some illegal hispanic immigrants and gays. The truth is black people should be offended the way civil rights is thrown out nowadays and how the struggle of slavery is being demeaned.

And before anyone goes there, I do understand that gays have been suffered abuse. I understand that there have been gays who have been tormented and even killed by people who are hateful, but honestly ask yourself, is that treatment the equivalent to blacks being in slavery? As far as illegal immigrants, do they really have a real plight?

Point being, the civil rights movement is being used as a foundation for any group nowadays that wants to make 'progress'. I think we should put it in it's proper perspective, how many of these groups of people endured anything equivalent to slavery?
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