Maryland question 4, 6 & 7 all a "yes!" (College Park: crime, how much)

[EdwardA]

Originally Posted by pgtitans

I voted there too. I heard this one lady talking about there was a conspiracy to change the votes for Obama to lose (do you think they are going to get away with that in PG County/Maryland where they vote 90%+ for him, really?). Thank goodness, I had my headphones. I knew I was about to hear a bunch of ignorance. Why do people think that just because we are black that we all must vote the same?

Also another thing, I'm assuming we are close to the same age. A lot of people that are older do not understand the position that our generation is being put in when it comes to social security. We are paying into a system that we would never see the benefit of, why would any of us with an ounce of common sense support that?

Yup I'm 35, I tried to explain to them my hospital is considering layoffs becuase their pension obligations are blowing a hole in their budget. They could care less, "I worked for Social Security, it's mine!". Um no you paid into a system that supported others not your own personal account. Certainly we should try and save it but it can't be done by bankrupting another generation.

[InvaderBryce]

Originally Posted by ay jayy

Agreed, but it needs to be nationwide. The Dems in MD shouldn't play fair if the republicans aren't. There is massive redistricting nationwide based on party lines. It would be pretty stupid for the dems to stop while the republicans are still gerrymandering to their hearts content.

2 wrongs don't make a right, but 3 lefts do.

[bowian]

Originally Posted by pgtitans

We're not arguing about why they voted for Obama, we are arguing about why they voted for Obama, but opposed same sex marriage.



Again, your point isn't really relevant. I don't think anyone is arguing that other groups of people have come out to support Obama.



Religion is not mutually exclusive from race. Some would argue that we as black people subscribe to religion more than any group in this nation. The fact that religion plays a factor (I agree) doesn't mean that race wasn't a factor. I can tell you, you won't find many black people who separate their religion from their race. How many 'black' churches do we have in PG?



Agreed, but how does that prove that race wasn't a factor? Can you separate religious influence from cultural ones?



Please look at this if you have not already:Maryland Question 6 gay marriage and Question 7 casino referendum map. - baltimoresun.com

Would we not agree that MD is a predominantly Democratic state? So how do you explain how Anne Arundel, Montgomery, and Howard County voted overwhelmingly against same sex marriage? These areas are in the same region and PG voted drasticially different than them, what makes PG different if they are all democratic?

I just did explain it. You don't agree with me, and that's fine. We can agree to disagree. I'm here to give my opinion as part of a discussion, but not to engage in an extended debate. I'm also not going to get heartburn and go way the heck out of my way to prove that black people are not monolithic. Ok already, we get it. And???

[bowian]

Originally Posted by pgtitans

One or several pastors down fall doesn't speak to the values of Christianity. He and many other evangelists are a part of the modern day apostate church. The people who follow these individuals are sheep. Unfortunately there probably aren't many who read their Bibles and practice Christianity on a daily basis. I know that sounds harsh, but anyone with any knowledge of the word, would see right through him and many others. I think his example continues to get exploited but the ones who are actually living godly lives are kept quiet to further push this agenda. He's just one man, if people follow man, they will always be confused.

Um, it's more than several pastors, and the history of this sort of mal-influence is more than recent. Eddie Long is just example, just one of several who got caught. So this issue of mal-influence, of pimps or scammers in the pulpit, is nowhere near new. Again, here is another issue where knowing and really considering the historical context would truly come in handy.

[rsh56]

I actually voted against the Dream Act and Redistricting, but I'm not really butthurt about it passing.

[justtitans]

Originally Posted by bowian

I just did explain it. You don't agree with me, and that's fine. We can agree to disagree. I'm here to give my opinion as part of a discussion, but not to engage in an extended debate. I'm also not going to get heartburn and go way the heck out of my way to prove that black people are not monolithic. Ok already, we get it. And???

Oh I'm not saying black people are monolithic. I'm just saying for certain issues black people tend to maintain certain values. Those values are at the core of black culture even when it may transcend what we may otherwise believe. I'm not saying that everyone voted based on race, but I am saying that saying that they voted based on being Democrats is not completely true. That is the reason why I brought up the point about the other map. If being Democrat was that much of an influence then the numbers would be consistent among the Democratic counties.

[justtitans]

Originally Posted by bowian

Um, it's more than several pastors, and the history of this sort of mal-influence is more than recent. Eddie Long is just example, just one of several who got caught. So this issue of mal-influence, of pimps or scammers in the pulpit, is nowhere near new. Again, here is another issue where knowing and really considering the historical context would truly come in handy.

And again, it's about what is being publicized. Of course this is not new. But I'm so tired of hearing the media push people like Eddie Long out like he is the golden standard of Christianity. There are plenty who have followed his path of apostasy, but really it doesn't represent a whole. There are also some that are the direct opposite of Eddie Long, but we would never hear about them because it doesn't fit in what the mainstream media tries to portray.

[justtitans]

Originally Posted by EdwardA

Yup I'm 35, I tried to explain to them my hospital is considering layoffs becuase their pension obligations are blowing a hole in their budget. They could care less, "I worked for Social Security, it's mine!". Um no you paid into a system that supported others not your own personal account. Certainly we should try and save it but it can't be done by bankrupting another generation.

Yeah I'm 26. I'm amazed at how little people older than me and you understand what is going on with social security. They are going to be really disappointed if things are fixed soon.

[bowian]

Originally Posted by pgtitans

And again, it's about what is being publicized. Of course this is not new. But I'm so tired of hearing the media push people like Eddie Long out like he is the golden standard of Christianity. There are plenty who have followed his path of apostasy, but really it doesn't represent a whole. There are also some that are the direct opposite of Eddie Long, but we would never hear about them because it doesn't fit in what the mainstream media tries to portray.

Unfortunately, pgtitans, there are those who give the media something negative to portray. The negative stuff and the drama gets the attention. The media doesn't hold Eddie Long up as the gold standard of Christianity. They report the scandals because of their newsworthiness and the irony. If anything, Long is the gold standard for how not to lead a flock. How many times are people going to use the "flesh is weak" argument? You know what I am tired of? Pressure to tithe. Rank hypocrisy. Pastors who own Lear jets and mansions and multiple luxury cars while some in their flocks have little to nothing. Ministers who you can't trust around your children. The list goes on. That tomfoolery does not represent Christians as a whole, but it can't be ignored.

[bowian]

Originally Posted by pgtitans

Oh I'm not saying black people are monolithic. I'm just saying for certain issues black people tend to maintain certain values. Those values are at the core of black culture even when it may transcend what we may otherwise believe. I'm not saying that everyone voted based on race, but I am saying that saying that they voted based on being Democrats is not completely true. That is the reason why I brought up the point about the other map. If being Democrat was that much of an influence then the numbers would be consistent among the Democratic counties.

I understand where you are coming from, and I know you are not saying black people are monolithic. My point is that some folks go to the extreme to try to prove that, and I wonder why.