Maryland question 4, 6 & 7 all a "yes!" (fit in, layoffs)

[adelphi_sky]

Originally Posted by bowian

And they should understand the challenges of hollering against homosexuality in the church while engaging in secretive homosexual relationships. And their pastors paying off victims. With tithe money, perhaps. Such "Eddie Longism" really confuses the issues. People really need to think for themselves. No sense in being smart in everyday life and becoming an intellectual flatliner when you're sitting in the pew.

Testify!

[justtitans]

Originally Posted by bowian

Because he would be considered the best choice for them. What was the alternative? Excactly what appeal does Romney hold for blacks specifically? Hispanics specifically? Women specifically? Exactly what did he to do court the vote of these groups? From what I saw and read, he was obviously appealing to something very specific and trying to touch a certain nerve.

We're not arguing about why they voted for Obama, we are arguing about why they voted for Obama, but opposed same sex marriage.

Originally Posted by bowian

I remember when Jesse Jackson ran for president. I don't recall the same, overwhelming black support for him. Not like there was in 2008 and in 2012 for Obama. There are many who prefer Obama, and more than just black people. You can get into how blacks are just voting for Obama just because he's black, but while you are at it, discuss how many whites (especially white males) voted for Romney just because he is white. You can get into the percentages and proportions of each race voting for each candidate, etc. But in the end, Obama was re-elected, narrowly or not.

Again, your point isn't really relevant. I don't think anyone is arguing that other groups of people have come out to support Obama.

Originally Posted by bowian

I disagree on that point. That phenomenon speaks to a big influence besides race -- religion. The fact that a black pastor could tell his or her flock not to vote for Obama (or not to vote at all) because of same-sex marriage, speaks more to religion than race.

Religion is not mutually exclusive from race. Some would argue that we as black people subscribe to religion more than any group in this nation. The fact that religion plays a factor (I agree) doesn't mean that race wasn't a factor. I can tell you, you won't find many black people who separate their religion from their race. How many 'black' churches do we have in PG?

Originally Posted by bowian

Why? Because people were voting based on their religious and moral views in PG. The church and homosexuality, the black church and homosexuality, and the history of the black church and its influence on black people are all complex issues. Also, while black people may be liberal politically, they are also rather conservative socially. All of that needs to be taken into account.

Agreed, but how does that prove that race wasn't a factor? Can you separate religious influence from cultural ones?

Originally Posted by bowian

I don't think you can just throw PG and MoCo voting patterns beside each other and draw such conclusions like the above.

Please look at this if you have not already:Maryland Question 6 gay marriage and Question 7 casino referendum map. - baltimoresun.com

Would we not agree that MD is a predominantly Democratic state? So how do you explain how Anne Arundel, Montgomery, and Howard County voted overwhelmingly against same sex marriage? These areas are in the same region and PG voted drasticially different than them, what makes PG different if they are all democratic?

[justtitans]

Originally Posted by bowian

And they should understand the challenges of hollering against homosexuality in the church while engaging in secretive homosexual relationships. And their pastors paying off victims. With tithe money, perhaps. Such "Eddie Longism" really confuses the issues. People really need to think for themselves. No sense in being smart in everyday life and becoming an intellectual flatliner when you're sitting in the pew.

One or several pastors down fall doesn't speak to the values of Christianity. He and many other evangelists are a part of the modern day apostate church. The people who follow these individuals are sheep. Unfortunately there probably aren't many who read their Bibles and practice Christianity on a daily basis. I know that sounds harsh, but anyone with any knowledge of the word, would see right through him and many others. I think his example continues to get exploited but the ones who are actually living godly lives are kept quiet to further push this agenda. He's just one man, if people follow man, they will always be confused.

[coldbliss]

Awwww...you got your Tea Bags in a twist because the "IslamoCommunistBlackPantherKenyan" Barack Obama was re-elected and Marylanders voted for humane and sensible reforms as opposed to returning the state to the year 1799.

There's some real estate in Utah that is calling your name. Plenty of wide-open country and zany, crazy right-wingers to make you happy. Go West, young man.

Originally Posted by Tom Lennox 70

Honestly I'm not too upset about gay mariage passing. Especially since they also succeeded in Minnesota, Maine, and Washington state so it doesnt' make us come across as radical liberals. But I am incensed an disappointed about the illegal alien Dream Act passing. Hardly anyone I know here in eastern Baltimore County supports it and nobody can believe it passed. Must be the liberal elites of Montgomery and HOward Counties plus the ethnic racist vote plus voter fraud by illegal aliens. These poeple are ILLEGAL. A lot of the people who support illegal immigration are ethnic racists who want to stick a midle figner out to mainstream America, and many are also radical liberals and unreconstructed hippies.

And after years of tax hikes, including the income tax, tolls, alcohol tax, cigarette tax, and flush tax we still vote Democrat. I was born in Louisiana, and down there, someone in public office knew that if they raised taxes, they or their party will be punished in the next election. Not so in Maryland! And with redistricting, I wonder how a liberal elitist, Starbucks drinking slimeball from POTOMAC can reprsent Western Maryland. I'm sure John Delaney really snubs his nose and looks at Western Marylanders with elitist derision and scorn as typical for a East Coast liberal like himself. Any Western Marylander who voted against Bartlett voted against the interets of their communities and neighbors. The liberal elite Delaney will most likely promote things like urban development and reject things like natural gas development which would benefit Western Maryland.

[PhenomenalAJ]

Great day for Maryland, Question 5 also passed, I pretty much got my way on each vote. Glad the Tea Party does not have the influence over our actual state that you'd think by visiting the MD forum

[InvaderBryce]

Originally Posted by coldbliss

Awwww...you got your Tea Bags in a twist because the "IslamoCommunistBlackPantherKenyan" Barack Obama was re-elected and Marylanders voted for humane and sensible reforms as opposed to returning the state to the year 1799.

There's some real estate in Utah that is calling your name. Plenty of wide-open country and zany, crazy right-wingers to make you happy. Go West, young man.

Don't mind Tom Lennox. He, just like Tracee, is a paid GOP troll who only shows up to bash the state and Liberals but is nowhere to be found when talking about other things besides politics....pathetic.

Tom is also an Asian and we all know, Mormon's hate Asians in the great state of Utah.

Spoiler

^^^Sarcasm; just in case you're too stupid to know.

[justtitans]

Originally Posted by EdwardA

Yup to many he is their god. I did early voting at Oxon Hill Library. As I waited four hours to vote, folks are chatting about this or that and someone asked me about Social Security. I explained my position and I guess it became rather apparent I was not a fan of Obama. You'd have thought I was a child molester. I had people saying I wasn't Black, I thought I was better, White people are mean it was just crazy.

Folks really are too emotionally invested in this man.

I voted there too. I heard this one lady talking about there was a conspiracy to change the votes for Obama to lose (do you think they are going to get away with that in PG County/Maryland where they vote 90%+ for him, really?). Thank goodness, I had my headphones. I knew I was about to hear a bunch of ignorance. Why do people think that just because we are black that we all must vote the same?

Also another thing, I'm assuming we are close to the same age. A lot of people that are older do not understand the position that our generation is being put in when it comes to social security. We are paying into a system that we would never see the benefit of, why would any of us with an ounce of common sense support that?

[InvaderBryce]

Originally Posted by PhenomenalAJ

Great day for Maryland, Question 5 also passed, I pretty much got my way on each vote. Glad the Tea Party does not have the influence over our actual state that you'd think by visiting the MD forum

So you have no problem with the Liberal Democrats controlling every aspect of the state? You do know that Question 5 is essentially the type of crap Conservatives pulled down in Texas a while back right?

This is why we need an independent commission to do redistricting.

[EdwardA]

Originally Posted by bowian

Meh. You can't just draw this conclusion. You have to go back to the Clinton presidency, the perception of Clinton by blacks, and black people's support of Clinton. And put it all in context. When his wife ran for president, someone told me that by electing her, the country would have Bill Clinton and his influence back in the White House. Some blacks, tongue-in-cheek, called Bill Clinton "the first black president" because of his attention to issues impacting blacks, his cabinet appointments, etc.

So his wife runs against Obama. If there was an issue regarding initial black support for Obama, perhaps that was related to blacks judging his ability to win votes from whites. After Iowa, perhaps that ability was more clearly seen. I wouldn't debase such thinking by describing it as white validation. Was the support just because he was black? Maybe. But it could also be that he is worth supporting. In other words, not just a black candidate, but a good black candidate.

I guess folks can draw different conclusions. I didn't hear this deep reasoning of support of Obama during the primary. Blacks turned on a dime when Obama won Iowa going so far as declare Bill Clinton racist for accurately mocking Obama's campaign fantasies as fairy tales.

[ay jayy]

Originally Posted by InvaderBryce

This is why we need an independent commission to do redistricting.

Agreed, but it needs to be nationwide. The Dems in MD shouldn't play fair if the republicans aren't. There is massive redistricting nationwide based on party lines. It would be pretty stupid for the dems to stop while the republicans are still gerrymandering to their hearts content.