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Unfortunately, pgtitans, there are those who give the media something negative to portray. The negative stuff and the drama gets the attention. The media doesn't hold Eddie Long up as the gold standard of Christianity. They report the scandals because of their newsworthiness and the irony. If anything, Long is the gold standard for how not to lead a flock. How many times are people going to use the "flesh is weak" argument? You know what I am tired of? Pressure to tithe. Rank hypocrisy. Pastors who own Lear jets and mansions and multiple luxury cars while some in their flocks have little to nothing. Ministers who you can't trust around your children. The list goes on. That tomfoolery does not represent Christians as a whole, but it can't be ignored.
Agreed. I do however feel that they overanalyzed the Eddie Long situation. They began asking questions about if homosexuality should be allowed in the church and they even went as far on CNN to bring in Carlton Pearson (a preacher known to support homosexuality) and tried to skew this idea that it should be okay for Christians to practice homosexuality. I mean he's just one man. Because one man can't control himself, we should change our beliefs? That is the part that upset me. As far as the tithe and the hypocrisy, I get tired of it too, but as believers that's where discernment and knowledge of the Bible comes in hand. If people really knew the word, they wouldn't follow man and expect them not to fall. Too many 'believers' hold these men in a light that no human being should be held in, sound familiar? Unfortunately, many black people in this nation are extremely insecure and are always looking for someone to 'save' them. That is why you people like Eddie Long, TD Jakes, Jamal Bryant, President Obama and Jay-Z. To the people that follow these men, they can do no wrong. I'm not saying you can't support these individuals, but it really goes beyond just supporting most of the time.
I voted for the same sex marriage because I do believe that no one should be forced to marry someone if it goes against their beliefs. But I did vote against the other two for my own personal reasons. I am very skeptical about the gaming industry and the so called monies that are supposed to go these schools (which I feel they will not and usually don't) and what jobs are they going to create if they only benefit a select few. As for the Dream Act, well I always felt that as a natural born American so many of us are passed over (and along with those who are legally here) that why should any priveleges be given to people who may have chosen to come here illegally? I just feel that those rights should be left to those who paid their dues to come here legally and those of us born here (I know conservative of me but that is how I feel)
Unfortunately, pgtitans, there are those who give the media something negative to portray. The negative stuff and the drama gets the attention. The media doesn't hold Eddie Long up as the gold standard of Christianity. They report the scandals because of their newsworthiness and the irony. If anything, Long is the gold standard for how not to lead a flock. How many times are people going to use the "flesh is weak" argument? You know what I am tired of? Pressure to tithe. Rank hypocrisy. Pastors who own Lear jets and mansions and multiple luxury cars while some in their flocks have little to nothing. Ministers who you can't trust around your children. The list goes on. That tomfoolery does not represent Christians as a whole, but it can't be ignored.
Another hypocrisy in the church community is their view of casino resorts. If they have EVER been on a cruise, and church people do cruise, there are casinos on just about every ship. And I can guarantee you that casino will not sit empty. Do they boycott cruising? Nope. Or what about trips to the islands or other countries? Most of the resorts have casinos. Yet, you hear them talk about how lovely the resort was and how they had such a good time. Yet, they all of a sudden have amnesia and consider gambling the great sin when one is proposed where they live. lol Unreal. Let's not even talk about church raffles, bingo.
But consider this. Most islands in the Caribbean are third world countries. Yet, we flock to their resorts with casinos. Did we need armed guards when leaving the resort? Is there anarchy and destruction around the resort? If anybody would consider committing a crime around a casino, it would be the poor of the third world. Yet, nobody thinks twice about enjoying the resort and the island in these poor places. But low and behold in the DC area, one of the wealthiest places in the wealthiest country in the world, and there's a fear of a complete breakdown in civility and self-control. Again. Unreal.
As for the Dream Act, well I always felt that as a natural born American so many of us are passed over (and along with those who are legally here) that why should any priveleges be given to people who may have chosen to come here illegally?
What are you getting passed over for?
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I just feel that those rights should be left to those who paid their dues to come here legally and those of us born here (I know conservative of me but that is how I feel)
I struggled with this for a few. But I finally realized that if they have the money, somehow, to afford an education, then I'd rather they be educated contributing to the community and economy. Because they aren't going back to where they came from.
I struggled with this for a few. But I finally realized that if they have the money, somehow, to afford an education, then I'd rather they be educated contributing to the community and economy. Because they aren't going back to where they came from.
I actually came to the same conclusion. Although allowing such access may not be optimal or ideal, it beats the perpetuation of poverty that comes from being under-educated and could eventually reduce the stress on certain social programs.
I voted for the same sex marriage because I do believe that no one should be forced to marry someone if it goes against their beliefs. But I did vote against the other two for my own personal reasons. I am very skeptical about the gaming industry and the so called monies that are supposed to go these schools (which I feel they will not and usually don't) and what jobs are they going to create if they only benefit a select few. As for the Dream Act, well I always felt that as a natural born American so many of us are passed over (and along with those who are legally here) that why should any priveleges be given to people who may have chosen to come here illegally? I just feel that those rights should be left to those who paid their dues to come here legally and those of us born here (I know conservative of me but that is how I feel)
Couldn't have said it better myself... specifically speaking about 'The Dream Act.'
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What are you getting passed over for?
Well, let's see. There are millions of Americans struggling for various reasons. Despite popular belief (more so from those looking for valid arguments to support illegal aliens), not all Americans are lazy bums who want a free handout. I know legal American citizens (myself included) who have basically been told "You're screwed," when it was revealed there were issues paying for college. When I first attempted to go to school way back when, I was told I didn't qualify for federal student aide because my parents were over income, despite the fact that my parents weren't taking the responsibility of sending my through college. But, due to the asinine rules of the time (not sure if they have changed today) I wasn't allowed to apply as an independent. This is just one of many different stories that many bona fide Americans have, which all result in them not being able to afford college.
So, it's a spit, slap, and kick in the face to us REAL Americans who aren't associated with the term "ILLEGAL," when we are looked at like idiots for even suggesting we may need some financial help, but then our government is bending over backwards to accommodate illegals, who basically have no rights to begin with. Where's my "Dream Act" so I can live the American Dream? I'm so sick of everyone else BUT legitimate Americans living the "dream." I guess it'll always be a "dream" to actual Americans. And I feel almost worse for immigrants who did things the fair, legal, and hard way. They had to go through hell trying to obtain legal status, and they don't get any of these benefits Esmeralda Gonzales—who just stepped off the boat and doesn't speak a lick of English—receives.
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I struggled with this for a few. But I finally realized that if they have the money, somehow, to afford an education, then I'd rather they be educated contributing to the community and economy. Because they aren't going back to where they came from.
I keep seeing this scapegoat argument, and much like most arguments for pro-illegals, I don't see any hardcore data confirming these statements. How do you know for a FACT that these illegals are going to stay in America and contribute to our society, once they've received their substantially subsidized American educations? What facts show that is indeed what's happening? What's to stop them from going back home to El Salvador or Mexico City to live the lives of a king or queen? Where's the evidence showing that isn't what they are doing? Because I know PLENTY of hispanics who have done just that. I know many legal hispanic immigrants who still have extreme ties to their home countries. They get their fancy American educations and jobs to make fancy American dollars, and they end up sending large amounts of it back to Latin America. I've seen pictures of the beautiful mansions these people have built back home. Places that I'd rather live in than many of the homes you could show me in some of the nicest areas of Montgomery County.
The idea that these illegals are going to be staying in this country and contributing to society, is purely based on "best possible outcome" hopes and ideologies. There's no hardcore studies or facts which can prove that's indeed what's happening.
And we haven't even touched on who's going to be funding this "Dream Act." It's certainly not going to be the Dream Act Fairy. It's going to be LEGAL American citizens who are going to foot the bill via higher taxes. And what about all of the potential college slots that will be taken up by these illegals? It's not like the University of Maryland College Park is magically going to find hundreds of new spaces for the increased enrollment. They—and every other college/university in this country—are going to have to turn away LEGAL American citizens to make way for these subsidized illegal students.
It boggles my mind how there seems to be so much apathy towards this serious issue. There isn't another country in the WORLD I can go to and get the type of treatment these illegals get here in America. I can't go to Paris and say, "Hey, I want to come here to prosper and live the French dream. I want housing assistance, healthcare assistance, subsidized education, food stamp vouchers, and whatever else you can throw at me, and if you say "no" I'll probably just sneak in illegally and do it that way. What's your pleasure, France??" Yet, somehow in America, I guess we've decided that we are just a giant branch of the American Red Cross and we're supposed to help any and everyone out ... that or just we have a nation filled with lazy ass citizens who've decided that decades of complacency has lead to an issue that is now far out of control, and they don't want to dedicate the time to try and get a handle on it, so we'll just give in to the illegals. When did the woes of the rest of the world become our problem? Why do I feel like the United States of America is in a position where we have to worry about everyone else? Who's worrying about us?? I'm always hearing about how much debt we're in, yet, every time there's an earthquake in Haiti or a tsunami in Southeast Asia or the storm of the century someplace else, we're the first in line with a check for billions of dollars in aide. Where does this money magically come from?? What about the aide that so many people in this country needs??? This scenario is tantamount to your house being on fire with your spouse and kids trapped inside, and your neighbors house is also on fire with their spouse and kids trapped inside. Instead of doing everything in your power to put the fire out in your own home, you instead rush next door to help put your neighbor put their fire out, while your family burns inside your home!! Where they do that at??? In what world does that make sense? We're going to worry about others before we worry about our own. This country is seriously screwed up.
1. Undocumented immigrants applying for Maryland state universities will NOT vault over legal citizens by default. They will have the SAME admissions standards as all other students (i.e. SATs, GPAs, extra curricular activities and so on).
2. The DREAM Act does not mandate quotas of any sort for undocumented immigrants.
3. I just wanna make Points 1 and 2 clear.
4. As a side note...those "illegal" immigrants work 60-70 hours or more per week in restaurants, constructions sites, hotels, and God knows where else for crappy wages. They clean up the sh#t off the toilets. They work outdoors in blazing 100 degree heat or sub-freezing temperatures ALL DAY. They break their backs so they can support their family back home and maybe save enough money to start a business or go to school in the United States. Maybe even hope for citizenship one day.
Meanwhile, you fat-azz, lazy POS White Republican MFers complain about "illegals this" and "illegal aliens that". I have a message for you losers: how about you stop bitchin' and start working for a change. How about you start realizing that it is WHITE corporate bosses who are the ones lobbying to hire more cheap, undocumented labor from Mexico & Central America as a means to lower wages and benefits costs. It is the wealthy WHITE managerial class that is conspiring with politicians to reduce the cost of American labor down to nickles & dimes per hour so WE AMERICANS become third-world slave labor.
In other words, stop the racist nonsense and focus on the real villains. The villains don't have brown skin and speak Espanol. The REAL villains are older white men in suits. Get a clue.
1. Undocumented immigrants applying for Maryland state universities will NOT vault over legal citizens by default. They will have the SAME admissions standards as all other students (i.e. SATs, GPAs, extra curricular activities and so on).
2. The DREAM Act does not mandate quotas of any sort for undocumented immigrants.
3. I just wanna make Points 1 and 2 clear.
4. As a side note...those "illegal" immigrants work 60-70 hours or more per week in restaurants, constructions sites, hotels, and God knows where else for crappy wages. They clean up the sh#t off the toilets. They work outdoors in blazing 100 degree heat or sub-freezing temperatures ALL DAY. They break their backs so they can support their family back home and maybe save enough money to start a business or go to school in the United States. Maybe even hope for citizenship one day.
Meanwhile, you fat-azz, lazy POS White Republican MFers complain about "illegals this" and "illegal aliens that". I have a message for you losers: how about you stop bitchin' and start working for a change. How about you start realizing that it is WHITE corporate bosses who are the ones lobbying to hire more cheap, undocumented labor from Mexico & Central America as a means to lower wages and benefits costs. It is the wealthy WHITE managerial class that is conspiring with politicians to reduce the cost of American labor down to nickles & dimes per hour so WE AMERICANS become third-world slave labor.
In other words, stop the racist nonsense and focus on the real villains. The villains don't have brown skin and speak Espanol. The REAL villains are older white men in suits. Get a clue.
And you're a racist for saying that. Instead of being a socialist-sympathizing idiot, who's probably on welfare, why not do what those guys did and get a job.
Stop hating big business, because you probably own a damn iPod....smh @ hypocrites.
4. As a side note...those "illegal" immigrants work 60-70 hours or more per week in restaurants, constructions sites, hotels, and God knows where else for crappy wages. They clean up the sh#t off the toilets. They work outdoors in blazing 100 degree heat or sub-freezing temperatures ALL DAY. They break their backs so they can support their family back home and maybe save enough money to start a business or go to school in the United States. Maybe even hope for citizenship one day.
Meanwhile, you fat-azz, lazy POS White Republican MFers complain about "illegals this" and "illegal aliens that". I have a message for you losers: how about you stop bitchin' and start working for a change. How about you start realizing that it is WHITE corporate bosses who are the ones lobbying to hire more cheap, undocumented labor from Mexico & Central America as a means to lower wages and benefits costs. It is the wealthy WHITE managerial class that is conspiring with politicians to reduce the cost of American labor down to nickles & dimes per hour so WE AMERICANS become third-world slave labor.
In other words, stop the racist nonsense and focus on the real villains. The villains don't have brown skin and speak Espanol. The REAL villains are older white men in suits. Get a clue.
You ever notice how the biggest douchebag butt plugs, are the self-righteous liberals who spout the biggest pile of claptrap ever seen (see above)? So much fail in this one sentence, this tool isn't even worth the keystrokes to highlight his/her stupidity. They did a good enough job of it themselves.
You know you're a brainwashed liberal when you automatically assume someone is republican because they aren't stupid enough, apathetic enough, and clueless enough to side with something as asinine as granting rights and breaks to illegals. FYI, moron, I'm a registered democrat and have been all my life. Unlike you, I have the ability to THINK as well as THINK for myself. I'm not some ignorant lame who feels that turning a blind eye to illegals is going to get me some type of brownie points.
Next, I'm so glad you were stupid enough to use that copy + paste B.S. that my friend and I had a good laugh about the other day... I was just WAITING for an idiot to use it so I can shut them down. Moron, the reason why illegals are working crappy ass jobs is because THEY ARE ILLEGAL AND CAN'T WORK THE NICE JOBS THAT LEGALS ARE AFFORDED! There's you "duh moment" for the night. I don't think illegals can get jobs as executive assistants or paralegals or CEO's of Fortune 100 companies. I guess only a deluded, brainwashed liberal idiot can't figure that out. I can assume, madame, if they could get REAL jobs, you wouldn't find one hispanic cleaning someone's toilets or working in someone's restaurant kitchen.
Lastly, you might wanna familiarize yourself with what being "racist" really is. Kind of hard for me to be racist when my parents are hispanics who came here THE LEGAL WAY and have contributed immensely to this American society since the early 1960s. You stupid ass idiots always throwing around the word "racist," because the truth hurts and sounds bad. It's not my fault that the overwhelming majority of illegals in this country, are hispanics. If the majority of illegals were Chinese or Africans or Canadians, I'd be saying the same thing.
In closing, I don't mind a spirited debate, but I won't waste my precious time with pure idiots and brainwashed fools who enable law breaking and the implosion of our society. However, sometimes something is said that is SO stupid, one must respond. In the future, if you want to debate, make sure you have some FACTS to help your case. It's not so smart bringing a water gun to an actual gun fight. Don't quite being a lady on my account, princess. You are dismissed.
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