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Exactly what I was expecting from the gun-nuts. I'm accentuating gun-nuts to be certain. You probably don't signal your intention ta change lanes on the freeway, either, do you? Or anywhere else you're driving and turning one way or the other, or changing lanes, including backroads, city streets and parking lots, huh? And you're the type of dork that will lie and tell me you do put your turn signal on. Am I right? Take a good look around you and you'll see that it is I that is right.
THink the thread is getting off topic.. But I am a Washington person (well, Oregonian actually) and posts like this P1SS ME OFF
Hahaha, just kidding..
But in all honesty, if you think using a baseball bat against an intruder who possibly is armed with a gun and even may have another partner in your house while your crying child and wife are hiding in their room is best line of defense, well by all means you have my best wishes! More times than not, if you have a shotgun pointed at an intruder, he will be running for his life faster than a fly will be on a nice fresh cow turd. However, if you have a baseball bat, you more likely will be forced to engage in a violent confrontation, as your average intruder will not be afraid of a blunt object, especially if he has a gun or if there is another intruder in the house.
So, some idiot hands a small girl a fully auto uzi and now suddenly guns are too dangerous to keep in a home? It is like allowing your 13 year old kid who has never drove before to drive you to the store, getting in an accident and saying cars are too dangerous to keep around your kids.
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Exactly what I was expecting from the gun-nuts. I'm accentuating gun-nuts to be certain. You probably don't signal your intention ta change lanes on the freeway, either, do you? Or anywhere else you're driving and turning one way or the other, or changing lanes, including backroads, city streets and parking lots, huh? And you're the type of dork that will lie and tell me you do put your turn signal on. Am I right? Take a good look around you and you'll see that it is I that is right.
Wow. elkotronics, your post seems a little over-the-top, since you felt the need to resort to blanket stereotypes and baseless name-calling, after Rotse replied with a well-reasoned argument. Clearly, that's a sign that you feel your argument is weaker than his.
Another point that further solidifies my argument: The awful story from Arizona from the shooting range where the 9 y/o girl is being taught to fire an Uzi. 'Nuff said. Further reasoning against the social and ridiculous usage of guns for entertainment and fun.
I don't mean to direct this comment at elkotronics specifically, but I will never understand hypocritical comments like these.
The democrats and especially the Obama administration have harped on us for years that Muslims are generally good people, and after 9/11 that we should not direct our anger at the entire religion because "one bad apple shouldn't spoil the bunch". In other words, since a few Muslims are radicalized, we shouldn't assume that all Muslims are bad people.
BUT, please explain to me why the fact that a gunman that shoots-up a school, or an idiot lets their 9-year-old shoot a full-auto submachine gun - suddenly ALL gun-owners are bad people???
Why should we assume all Muslims are good despite a few outliers, but all gun-owners are bad BECAUSE of a few outliers???
The only reason I can figure = more liberal hypocrisy.
Why do we have ta put the liberal label on it, anyway? I'm politically neutral in all respects. I usually don't get drawn in to gun discussions but truly believe that guns are evil and people that love them and use them to terrorize other people are evil. If you use one to shoot an intruder then that's OK with me. That person doesn't have any right ta be in your house and I agree that they're the morons in this case. But how many times is that gonna happen? Is it worth the total idolization of weaponry? If course not. What would you think if I said that I hate war, too? Blow your mind in to little pieces, will it? Well, I do hate war. And I have every right not to fight in a stupid, idiotic war.
Why? Think long and hard about it and let me have it full guns ahead. I know it's boiling your gun-loving blood.
Why do we have ta put the liberal label on it, anyway? I'm politically neutral in all respects. I usually don't get drawn in to gun discussions but truly believe that guns are evil and people that love them and use them to terrorize other people are evil. If you use one to shoot an intruder then that's OK with me. That person doesn't have any right ta be in your house and I agree that they're the morons in this case. But how many times is that gonna happen? Is it worth the total idolization of weaponry? If course not. What would you think if I said that I hate war, too? Blow your mind in to little pieces, will it? Well, I do hate war. And I have every right not to fight in a stupid, idiotic war.
Why? Think long and hard about it and let me have it full guns ahead. I know it's boiling your gun-loving blood.
I don't know if this response is to me or not. If it is, then you seem to be REALLY over-compensating with your comments about "boiling your gun-loving blood", since I haven't posted anything even remotely emotional/angry/"boiling".
I have no problem at all if you or anyone else doesn't like guns. Everyone has their likes and dislikes. My problems are with people who assume all gun owners are "people that love [guns] and use them to terrorize other people are evil", and then make the requisite gun ban argument. I don't understand the notion of the person that feels the need to impose their ideals on everyone else.
My husband will likely teach him when he's a little older.....but not by shooting cute little animals lol. We don't get into hunting. Target practice in a shooting range is more like it.
Cool. Got to wait for the right age.. I will add it is my very strong opinion IF you eat meat then go kill something and prepare it for the table. ...
Again just my opinion, our violent nature as a society is because we are so
disconected from the reality of what actually happens when you kill a living being.
If taught right, putting meat on the table will humble the heck out of you and especially your child. Massive respect for firearms, and all life is gained.
If you eat what you kill, and buy one less package of plastic wrapped meat from the store one is ahead in more ways than one.
Personally, I slaughtered enough, pretty much only eat fish, and cows I never got to know on occasion.
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Gun debate.. Ugh!
One must be open to walking in the oppositions shoes, before even attempting to discuss it.
Will say I am with Ben Franklin.. "Those willing to give up freedom do not deserve freedom and shall never have it."
Cool. Got to wait for the right age.. I will add it is my very strong opinion IF you eat meat then go kill something and prepare it for the table. ...
Again just my opinion, our violent nature as a society is because we are so
disconected from the reality of what actually happens when you kill a living being.
If taught right, putting meat on the table will humble the heck out of you and especially your child. Massive respect for firearms, and all life is gained.
If you eat what you kill, and buy one less package of plastic wrapped meat from the store one is ahead in more ways than one.
Personally, I slaughtered enough, pretty much only eat fish, and cows I never got to know on occasion.
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Gun debate.. Ugh!
One must be open to walking in the oppositions shoes, before even attempting to discuss it.
Will say I am with Ben Franklin.. "Those willing to give up freedom do not deserve freedom and shall never have it."
I'm pretty familiar with the notion of killing your dinner....thanks to my father. It traumatized me as a little girl watching him kill rabbits and chickens over the years. He killed goats too, but I never actually saw it done.
I dunno. Prefer not to "meet my meat" as it were....but instead obtain our meat from reputable sources known to treat their animals humanely. We have a freezer full of beef that was raised by my very good friend, for example.
I could hunt if it came down to actual survival, obviously.....but only then.
I'm from Texas (home of the original pissed off man with his bumper stickered pickup, loaded gun, and no-nonsense stare, the type of man you don't mess with). I've been all over the country.
I've recently worked some assignments in Vancouver, twice, and I've been to Seattle and the surrounding area both times. And I have to say, I have never encountered such pissed off people as in Washington. Which I am bit disappointed by because I love Seattle and have long thought of it as my ideal city to relocate to.
What is it? The weather? Bad economy? The sheer distance from everywhere else?
It's also a difficult place to get a feel for. Are the people liberal or conservative? Are they intellectuals or roughnecks? This too is surprising because one would think that, lacking the diversity of other places, Washington would have a particular culture. But if there is, I certainly didn't find it.
I get the suspicion that, underneath the superficial flag waving, people in Washington secretly despise the rest of the country. I wouldn't be surprised if some day the PNW forms its own country.
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Many of them already want it to be called Cascadia and be separate from the U.S. It's a strange place indeed and I am so glad I don't live there anymore. There have been a few other threads on this topic but it is almost always met with fierce opposition from Washingtonians claiming they are the nicest people on the planet. Anyone from the south is going to experience major culture shock in that place, it was seriously weird how people act. I have regained my sanity now that I am back in a more civilized part of the country. If you are interested in reading a long drawn out thread regarding this topic look for the thread entitled "Bad Vibes in Western Washington." The lack of diversity and "Groupthink" is strong in the PNW, outsiders comments about the area, constructive criticism and new ideas will not be tolerated. Progressive on Marijuana and Gay marriage backwards on everything else. Washingtonians have ridiculous assumptions and stereotypes engrained in them starting at birth about other areas of the U.S. Californians are the most hated and the reason for all problems, next it's southerners responsible for diabetes then people from the North East who are just plain rude. People in the Northwest are North Necks and most of them are long time transplants from Minnesota another terrible place filled with really nice people(not). Folks in the northwest assume anyone who lives in the south has had their home ravaged by tornadoes at least once every five years and it was a trailer littered with rebel flags, McDonald's refuse, Budweiser bottles and a Dale Earnhardt shrine on the kerosene heater. To their credit I actually have family that fits this description, but at least they are happy. For an area that is supposed to be progressive it sure feels a lot like "The Hills Have Eyes."
I must say that I have never encountered multitudes of pissed off people in Washington. Typically, I am the one who is pissed off by the "safe drivers" blocking up the lefter lanes. I've just assumed that the need to drive so safe and slow in the left lane was some subconscious political expression.
But then I rarely venture east of Olympia, and I've only been east of the Olympics and north of Sea-Tac once.
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People here are cordial. They are not friendly and don't let them delude themselves into thinking "we're friendly!". No, they are not; they wouldn't know friendly if it hit them upside the head and punched them square in the kisser. Take them to the deep south and they may go into a catatonic fit and run and curl up into the fetal position on the spot.
It's been said on this forum many, many times. People in Western Washington are a very passive aggressive bunch. Say "Hi!" to them on a sidewalk and they may look at you like you have a gigantic dong growing out of your forehead and an ulterior motive to go with it.
I had a woman from Oregon stop me the other day and ask for directions. She was older and needed help and was very upfront in asking me for assistance. After giving her directions, I asked her where she was from and she said "Bend, OR, but originally from Texas" as she touched my arm like an older southern lady typically does. Yeah...you don't see that type of behavior from the natives up here.
I've lived here for 16 years and I too am a Southern Transplant. They are cordial, they are not friendly.
That is all.
All these quotes made me laugh pretty hard. Verbatim what a lot of visitors have said to me personally about the area, and I agree (having lived in different areas but from the PNW). I would never want to live in Seattle because of all these listed reasons... I stay here for the scenery, not the people or the policies.
I am generally very friendly/warm with strangers, which is apparently weird, to the point I get raised eyebrows and like I'm going to molest their children just by saying hi or commenting on the day or asking a question. And I can almost always pick out someone who isn't "from around here" by how they smile and try to engage others instead of keeping their faces stuck in phones or books or anything to pretend they're not in public. One of the most surreal experiences I had was sitting on a bus where literally ever single person had ear-buds in. Every single one except me. It was also pretty funny at a bus stop when there was two other people waiting for the bus with me, and I started a conversation with one (who wasn't from Washington) and tried to include the other, but she shrank into the corner of the bus stop covering with her arms crossed and refused to make eye contact as if I asked her to give me her soul by trying to talk to her.
Someone from Chicago moved out here and his mother was visiting, and she tried to ask a man at the grocery store what he was buying at the deli counter because it looked good, and he literally tucked his food away and glared like she was trying to steal it from him! So, as you can tell, her impression of Washingtonians didn't go up much.
One thing I'd like to add though is that Washingtonians aren't so much pissed off and hating the rest of the country as they are defensive about their place in the country. The Seahawks win was a big boost for them in that respect... the merchandising and weight being thrown around about that out here has exploded laughably. I was listening to a Seattle talk show during the football season where they interviewed a player from the Giants (who was going to play the Seahawks the following day). During the interview, they asked, "So what does the team think of Seattle? Tell us, what does New York think of Seattle?" and the player responded, "No offense or anything, but New Yorkers don't think anything of Seattle. Like, it's not even on our radar." Then there was an awkward long silence, and the DJ finally says, "Oh. Okay. Well." and the other one says, "Why you say no offense and then say something like that?" and then they fumbled around a bit and changed the subject. I was rolling.
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I agree. I'm always amused at people who move here and complain about how the "natives" or "locals" can't drive properly, aren't friendly, aren't very sophisticated, etc.
My answer is that the majority of people who now live in Western Washington, especially around Puget Sound, aren't locals or natives. They are people who moved here relatively recently from other states. So, if you have a problem with the people here, it's with yourself and your fellow immigrants, not us natives who are now in the minority. But we welcome you anyway.
Most people I meet out here have lived here their entire lives and said they never want to leave. Some are even 3rd generation Pacific Northwesterners. Like I said, I can usually spot the foreigner. Although, I've noticed if some people live here long enough (and they're from the midwest) it's harder to tell the difference.
PS90 and anybody else interested in a response to the above. I see your point and usually don't involve myself in threads about guns. I realize that the stand I have is no doubt shared by many in the Puget Sound region, San Fran, possibly some enlightened folks in L.A.
I have read many, many posts on city-data regarding guns. Since I can't stand them and realize that people will take your stand in the argument I pert-near always stay out of the posts and the associated bickering that goes along with it. Another point that further solidifies my argument: The awful story from Arizona from the shooting range where the 9 y/o girl is being taught to fire an Uzi. 'Nuff said. Further reasoning against the social and ridiculous usage of guns for entertainment and fun.
OK, I know I'm gonna get blitzkrieg-ed for this post anyway, so I'll just put it to rest. Just know that if you break in to my house you'll get a bonk on the head with a baseball bat, not a gunshot. Is that the best way ta defend my wife and I and our 2 dogs and 2 cats? No, you're right. A gunshot would be easier and more decisize.
Does that make having a single gun around the house a better choice? Nope. Not even close. Never has. Never will. So many people have been mistakenly shot it's not even close to being funny.
Ronnie Van Zant ~ Lynyrd Skynyrd - "So why don't we throw all people to the bottom of the sea, before some fool come around here and wanna shoot either you or me!"
HOW about pepper spray or a baseball bat?
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