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Remember this average is only for the last 7 years (since 2009)
The PNW coast is open waters unlike the English Channel which is not. I wonder if there are any coast towns on England's west or east coasts that average 4-5 days of 30C+ temps.
Seattle is on saltwater also and it averages 10 days of 86F+ in the last 30 years. That may be a more fair comparison.
The immediate west coast is very cool all the way to San Francisco. Luckily Seattle is not on the coast.
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Originally Posted by chicagogeorge
Remember this average is only for the last 7 years (since 2009)
The PNW coast is open waters unlike the English Channel which is not. I wonder if there are any coast towns on England's west or east coasts that average 4-5 days of 30C+ temps.
Gravesend might average that many days of 30C since it's prone to hot weather (foehn effect from the North Downs), but that's on the Thames estuary rather than the east coast proper:
As I just posted, as recent as 2015 temps right outside of Philly did drop to -20C and for sure that was nothing compared to the 1980's when Philly proper went to -11F.
I also thought 1970's and 80's style cold (I assume the late 70's/80's here were like the 1950's/60's in Europe) was not possible anymore, but we got it in 2014 and 2015. Every local meteo up and down the eastern US talked about how we hadn't had that kind of cold in decades.
So yeah, why did we get it both in the 70's/80's and 2014/15, while Western Europe just cannot approach the 1950's/60's level cold except for the UK in 2010. Funny thing is Seattle also got its coldest in the 1950's. I think it is the cold PDO that since flipping to warm is punishing us. I think the warm PDO favors warmth in Europe absent a negative NAO.
If nature believes in balancing things out, you should get another 1956 winter sooner or later before we get another 80's. But maybe global warming is more pronounced there than here. If you look at 2014 and 15 eastern North America was the only negative anomaly on the whole globe give or take some other little bits.
I don't care about 2016 being warmer than normal. We deserve a string of mild winters after the last 7 years having majority colder.
Well December 2010 was cold in other parts of Europe
Yeah, maybe you are right and we should get another 60's style winter but it seems already difficult to have a colder than normal month, and even by just one degree. Time will tell...
4 to 5 times a year with 86F is probably more than anywhere on the coast in the PNW. That is impressive for a coastal town in the UK.
Reigate isn't on the coast, it's in Surrey. Nowhere near the sea.
I doubt any coastal town averages more than one or two days above 30C. London only averages about 4. Jersey is the best bet for coastal towns in the UK.
Are we talking about Philly's suburbs or Philly itself? You use Philly's suburbs when it's convenient for your bias lol, you always talk about Philly's downtown when you're talking about how warm Philly is in summer. Which one are you gonna use? Anyone with common sense knows suburbs get colder, it's pointless to talk about suburbs when you're talking about Philly, NYC or any major city. Suburbs don't represent a city's climate. Some suburbs can have lows of 10 F or even 15 F than the city itself.
You personally haven't experienced -4 F in Philly in 22 years, which is kind of pathetic. There's places down south that have done better than that. Philly hasn't even dropped below 2 F in the new millennium.
Anyways, -3 F or -4 F or being 25 F below your daily mean is nothing exceptional. Hell, where Wildcat lives fell to -17 F in late February last year which was probably like 45 F below the average daily low for that day. Philly really does have weak winters and weak cold snaps compared to other places its latitude in the East US. If you think your winters are "tough" imagine being in Dayton, OH.
Also, not sure as ghost-likin said, why you're always comparing an East Coast climate with a West Coast one. It's a stupid comparison.
Not to mention you talk about "Europe" as if all of it has the climate of the UK or something. East Europe sees more negative anomalies than Philly does.
I swear people read your posts and they'll probably think Philly is constantly -30 C with blizzards all winter.
It seems we are all just talking past each other.
George started this by saying the cold the last few winters that shows up on models for Western Europe just never materializes, while over here it verifies.
Heck, last winter with the super Nino still gave us 8F when the vortex, which was supposed to sit over the UK for a week or so, ended up right over us in eastern NA and NYC went to 0F (Central Park which is impressive).
Bottom line is I still believe that parts of Western Europe (the Med, Spain, Italy, Croatia, etc) since a two week cold spell in Feb 2012, have been largely spared while at the same time getting hotter summers and very mild winters. I think Paris coldest winter month on record goes back to the early 20th Century, while where I live was Jan 1977.
I remember reading an article in the 90's that stated the reason Europeans were much more likely to believe in global warming vs Americans was due to the fact that large swaths of the US (Eastern 2/3) had not really warmed much at all, while their warming was impressive.
Well December 2010 was cold in other parts of Europe
Yeah, maybe you are right and we should get another 60's style winter but it seems already difficult to have a colder than normal month, and even by just one degree. Time will tell...
It is a rather rare winter here to not have at least one month be below average by 1F. Heck, that is nothing here. Feb 2015 monthly mean was 10F below avg. I'd like to see a place in Italy manage that.
Howz this, show me a place in Western Europe that had Jan, Feb and March avg temps be -2F, -10F and -4.4F below avg in secession. Happened here in 2015. When was the last time that happened in Western Europe?
Yeah, I forgot tom77falcons liked to admire European climates.
Then I stand corrected if the town is actually inland. Wouldn't you agree that a town right on the coast having 5 days of 86F a year is pretty impressive?
Then I stand corrected if the town is actually inland. Wouldn't you agree that a town right on the coast having 5 days of 86F a year is pretty impressive?
Depends where it is.
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