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Old 03-28-2017, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Leeds, UK
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No country has free speech in the sense that you can literally say whatever you want without consequence. Free speech is something afforded to us by our governments, rather than a god-given right.

 
Old 03-28-2017, 10:56 AM
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Location: Western Massachusetts
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No country has free speech in the sense that you can literally say whatever you want without consequence. Free speech is something afforded to us by our governments, rather than a god-given right.
No, you have it backwards. Speech is a right that the government places restrictions. The government doesn't give us speech, that sounds vaguely fascist sounding.
 
Old 03-28-2017, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Leeds, UK
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Nothing is a 'right'. This is just a man-made construct.

For example, having a place to live is considered a right in the UK, but that's only because the government makes it so. It never used to be a right.

Not that I think these things shouldn't be guaranteed by the state, just that nothing is really a 'right' because all of our rights only exist as far as the state is willing to protect them.
 
Old 03-28-2017, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Finland
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Trying to force PC through the law sounds awful; and why is the government judging speech content at all? Free speech! Free speech!
Well, I see no reason why things "let's all get guns and put those Jews in ovens! Kill a local Jew today!" should be legal.
 
Old 03-28-2017, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Lol


So called hate speech is not even comparable to defamation. Defamation is a tort. Hate speech is a crime.

You definitely don't have freedom of speech in your country. Really only the USA, to my knowledge, has what can be considered freedom of speech. I like that this country has that. As a general principle, however, I don't support freedom of speech. The Nation-state, for example, should not permit speech that attacks the foundation of the Nation.
The "foundation of the Nation" often conflates too dangerously with the "government of the day" for my comfort level. That's why I think the right to dissent (and to express it) is an extremely important right in any democracy.
 
Old 03-28-2017, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Finland
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Here's a candidate for kronan and lommaren. Seppo Lehto, independent, Tampere.



- deports the occupier-Ryssä bandit hordes (ryssä is the equivalent of the n-word in Finnish for Russians) and returns the lost territories to Finland

- cleanses the occupier-Ryssä's desants from the politics, media, workplaces and streets

- brings down the communist liberal traitor schemes for destroying our nation

- stops the invasion of Islamists and welfare-refugees

Another good candidate is Olavi Mäenpää, independent, Turku



His t-shirt says "God keeps the sky blue - Mäenpää keeps Finland white".

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Old 03-28-2017, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Lexington, KY
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Nothing is a 'right'. This is just a man-made construct.

For example, having a place to live is considered a right in the UK, but that's only because the government makes it so. It never used to be a right.

Not that I think these things shouldn't be guaranteed by the state, just that nothing is really a 'right' because all of our rights only exist as far as the state is willing to protect them.
The state is a man-made construct.
 
Old 03-28-2017, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Finland
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The state is a man-made concept.
True.

I am the state.
 
Old 03-28-2017, 12:37 PM
B87
 
Location: Surrey/London
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Seppo is slang for an American person lol.
 
Old 03-28-2017, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Finland
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Seppo is slang for an American person lol.
Haha. Well, he would suit well in the KKK.
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