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Old 12-31-2017, 04:58 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Location: Western Massachusetts
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Actually, concept of time is subjective. In Shanklin, England's sunniest climate, I think the days are 4 hours and not 24 hours, and so they actually only have about 44h of sunshine in July. Blenheim on the other hand uses the "normal" 24h system and they get 262h of sunshine in July. That's a whopping six times as much as anywhere in England manages.

Even using a similar concept of time, Shanklin still doesn't beat for example Nelson in July/January so you're wrong either way.
Both time and time zones are social constructs
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Old 12-31-2017, 05:30 PM
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Location: Ontario
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Both time and time zones are social constructs
Yes, the concept of standard time zones was invented by Scottish-canadian Sir Sanford Fleming
in Toronto in 1879, finally agreed to by all countries 50 years later in 1929.

Sure is a social construct...look at China....a giant country with only 1 time zone
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Old 12-31-2017, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Sydney
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Add them up and Shanklin is sunnier because of that cloudier final summer month in Blenheim. The point is people will claim Blenheim is very sunny and Shanklin gloomy even though it has roughly the same summer sun amounts. The average annual worldwide sun is 2334 hours, so Blenheim is rather average when it comes to sun.
It's not cloudier in Blenheim in February, it's that there's fewer days on which to record sun. Feb has 28 or 29 compared to 31 in August. Which is a big difference when you're looking at the total sun hours instead of the daily average.
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Old 12-31-2017, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Bidford-on-Avon, England
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It's not cloudier in Blenheim in February, it's that there's fewer days on which to record sun. Feb has 28 or 29 compared to 31 in August. Which is a big difference when you're looking at the total sun hours instead of the daily average.
Yes sorry you are right Blenheim has more daily sun, but Shanklin still has more monthly sun. Averaged over whole summer, Blenheim has 8.14 hours daily sun, Shanklin 8.16 hours. So over the whole summer Shanklin has more sunshine.
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Old 12-31-2017, 06:31 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Yes sorry you are right Blenheim has more daily sun, but Shanklin still has more monthly sun. Averaged over whole summer, Blenheim has 8.14 hours daily sun, Shanklin 8.16 hours. So over the whole summer Shanklin has more sunshine.
..... and more cloud - don't forget that.

Nelson has the sunniest summer in NZ, not Blenheim.
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Old 12-31-2017, 07:53 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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i live out in the high desert in SoCal, and most people think that it is very hot most of the year. In actuality as soon as the sun goes down so does the heat. The winter are freezing we even get some snow, from where I live you can normally see the snow capped mountains from November to June. This yeah is different though there has been a no snowfall. so we can pretty much expect a much stronger drought next year, just when we thought we could see the light at the end of the tunnel. Most people do mistake California as a whole, as a sunny tropical place, but in reality the only thing it is not is tropical. The amount of weather diversity here is unparalleled for one state to have, and its the best thing about living here.
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Old 12-31-2017, 08:15 PM
 
Location: Wellington and North of South
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..... and more cloud - don't forget that.

Nelson has the sunniest summer in NZ, not Blenheim.
He's obsessed with singling out summer and ignoring the other 9 months, very convenient. I'd take the sense of well-being conveyed by the remarkable numbers (not electronic either) from July 1952, when Blenheim had 231 hours and Nelson 227, the former being about 85% of the maximum recordable and the highest % of possible for any station in any month from an indisputable observation - over an average summer month in a location averaging about 55% of the possible.
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Old 12-31-2017, 10:07 PM
 
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Yes but the west of China actually has good sunset times, imo. I agree with you though.
Toddlers' bedtime would be too late even in midwinter (earliest sunset around 7:30pm). That's why they (Western Chinese people) have an unofficial time zone two hours behind China's official time. Even then, Kashgar would still have solar noons around 1pm!
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Old 12-31-2017, 11:51 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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He's obsessed with singling out summer and ignoring the other 9 months, very convenient. I'd take the sense of well-being conveyed by the remarkable numbers (not electronic either) from July 1952, when Blenheim had 231 hours and Nelson 227, the former being about 85% of the maximum recordable and the highest % of possible for any station in any month from an indisputable observation - over an average summer month in a location averaging about 55% of the possible.
It's certainly an interesting approach to defining sunny climates. Perhaps this aversion to summer darkness, is a hitherto silent group within climate folk - possibly a subset of sun lovers.

85% of possible sun during July sounds fantastic -nothing beats prolonged sunny spells during winter imo.

Shanklin is probably only in the higher middle range for sunshine percentages by NZ summer standards, but I have a soft spot for the sunniest regions within countries, particularly if the totals are on the low side.
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