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Old 07-22-2017, 09:04 AM
 
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The problem with making it TOO easy to apply for jobs online is that employers will get hundreds or even thousands of resumes from people with zero qualifications. Literally zero. It's work to weed through them. Ten or more years ago, you had to print and mail your resume or fax it. A level of effort that matches that (say, text boxes that allow you to paste info from your resume) and checkboxes confirming (for example) that you live in the area and have the degree or experience required would, I think, filter out people with no qualifications but not be too much work for people who do.
The problem with this is that people who already have jobs don't necessarily have 2 hours to spend filling out an application that requires you to fill in 200 text boxes. I don't mind some text boxes that ask for demographic information, but when I have to fill out a text box section for my HS diploma and I have 2 graduate degrees, text boxes for every single supervisor with phone number and email address, even for jobs that were some time ago and the supervisor might not be there anymore, etc... it just causes me to leave the application.

I understand that with this current system, people are flooded, but there has to be a balance between flooding and making the application so onerous that qualified applicants get turned off because they find out that their carefully crafted resume now has to be cut and pasted into text boxes that don't accept rich text format and only accept a certain amount of characters per position.
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Old 07-22-2017, 09:07 AM
 
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I have a friend who is just about top of the line in his field (Power Electronics). The company he worked for suddenly sold out to a overseas company and he was laid off. He thought it would be easy to get a job. He went online for 6 months sending out resume after resume and applying at the online sites. Got 5 replies in all that time.
Hi finally just got up and went into a local company got to see the operations officer and was hired on the spot. Said they had been advertising for 3 months and couldnt get any qualified candidates. My friend mentioned that he had applied twice for jobs that the company had advertised and hadnt received a single reply.

Is there a ranking of people who work that field? Sounds like an odd thing to know.
What are you basing that on?
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Old 07-22-2017, 09:12 AM
 
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arent internships supposed to be a tax-deductible loss for employers.
If unpaid, yes.

Otherwise, if they're doing a job that a paid employee might do, or have a financial impact that a paid employee might have, they must be paid interns.
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Old 07-22-2017, 09:13 AM
 
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Is there a ranking of people who work that field? Sounds like an odd thing to know.
What are you basing that on?
Why do you care? is it your field too?
Anyhow he owns in part many of the currently used patents in power and PM motor Inverters and is right on the cutting edge of new design.
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Old 07-22-2017, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Indianapolis, East Side
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The problem with this is that people who already have jobs don't necessarily have 2 hours to spend filling out an application that requires you to fill in 200 text boxes. I don't mind some text boxes that ask for demographic information, but when I have to fill out a text box section for my HS diploma and I have 2 graduate degrees, text boxes for every single supervisor with phone number and email address, even for jobs that were some time ago and the supervisor might not be there anymore, etc... it just causes me to leave the application.

I understand that with this current system, people are flooded, but there has to be a balance between flooding and making the application so onerous that qualified applicants get turned off because they find out that their carefully crafted resume now has to be cut and pasted into text boxes that don't accept rich text format and only accept a certain amount of characters per position.
An application with 200 text boxes (which I've never come across) would be far more work than printing and mailing a resume, which is the level of difficulty I suggested.
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Old 07-22-2017, 09:29 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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I have a friend who is just about top of the line in his field (Power Electronics). The company he worked for suddenly sold out to a overseas company and he was laid off. He thought it would be easy to get a job. He went online for 6 months sending out resume after resume and applying at the online sites. Got 5 replies in all that time.
Hi finally just got up and went into a local company got to see the operations officer and was hired on the spot. Said they had been advertising for 3 months and couldnt get any qualified candidates. My friend mentioned that he had applied twice for jobs that the company had advertised and hadnt received a single reply.
The chances of me EVER applying online were zero. I'm retired now, but back in the day I never "sent out resumes" either.

Both are stupid, unproductive moves. You want a job?....... GO TALK TO PEOPLE!

Another portion of the article pointed out that people will not move to where the jobs are. That's a serious mistake, too.
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Old 07-22-2017, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Indianapolis, East Side
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I have a friend who is just about top of the line in his field (Power Electronics). The company he worked for suddenly sold out to a overseas company and he was laid off. He thought it would be easy to get a job. He went online for 6 months sending out resume after resume and applying at the online sites. Got 5 replies in all that time.
Hi finally just got up and went into a local company got to see the operations officer and was hired on the spot. Said they had been advertising for 3 months and couldnt get any qualified candidates. My friend mentioned that he had applied twice for jobs that the company had advertised and hadnt received a single reply.
Could be either HR or IT incompetence. The book Why Good People Can't Get Jobs tells about an engineering position where the computer rejected 25,000 applicants for a job. Or maybe there was something about your friend's resume format that was hard for the employers' software to read. I didn't have any trouble getting jobs by applying for them online.

See https://books.google.com/books?id=IU...%2C000&f=false
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Old 07-22-2017, 09:53 AM
 
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Because the kids do not behave and they expect to pay drivers $12 an hour in a fairly high cost of living area (MD)....to put up with the abuse from unruly children. Welfare sounds more appealing.
They're advertising pay of $17.50 in Illinois. Has to be lower cost of living. Remember this is the State which went 2-1/2 years without a budget, and only passed one because the bond rating houses threatened to cut the bonds to junk status.
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Old 07-22-2017, 09:57 AM
 
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I have a friend who is just about top of the line in his field (Power Electronics). The company he worked for suddenly sold out to a overseas company and he was laid off. He thought it would be easy to get a job. He went online for 6 months sending out resume after resume and applying at the online sites. Got 5 replies in all that time.
Hi finally just got up and went into a local company got to see the operations officer and was hired on the spot. Said they had been advertising for 3 months and couldnt get any qualified candidates. My friend mentioned that he had applied twice for jobs that the company had advertised and hadnt received a single reply.
There is often a huge disconnect the more removed you are.

Similar happened to a friend that was a plant super independent for medical gases...

The ironic thing is he was later recruited for the job he had previously applied.
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Old 07-22-2017, 10:07 AM
 
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Could be either HR or IT incompetence. The book Why Good People Can't Get Jobs tells about an engineering position where the computer rejected 25,000 applicants for a job. Or maybe there was something about your friend's resume format that was hard for the employers' software to read. I didn't have any trouble getting jobs by applying for them online.

See https://books.google.com/books?id=IU4CGIQ4D9EC&pg=PT8&dq=employers+unrealis tic+expectations&hl=en&sa=X& and eventhou people kept offerin g him jobs they were all in ved=0ahUKEwir6cWCm53VAhWDeCYKHV92Dt8Q6AEIQTAF#v=on epage&q=10%2C000&f=false
I would say both...
Anyhow he was interested in changing his point of focus. So even thou he was offered jobs from other companies he wanted to try something new. He thought it would be a piece of cake with all his experience. But as he found out, the "Computerized" HR departments look for specific keywords in your resume or input fields. If they dont match their parameters, the entire resume is rejected and no one ever sees it. Its like the shopping web sites that are item specific. No one ever sees the accessories and matching items because they are on another page and no one really knows what they are called anyhow. So they never get sold.
A friend of mine had a 100 year old company that manufactures and sells burner parts. They went to a web based catalog as soon as the internet became reliable. For years sales stagnated and they almost went under. Someone proposed to them to go back to a print catalog along with the web one. THey sent out catalogs to all their existing customers and they had a 400% increase in sales because people could now see their products even if they didnt know the name.

Companies lose out on a lot of good profitable employees because they dont talk to them anymore.
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