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View Poll Results: What do you think? Is China helping or hurting?
Overall hurting 50 60.98%
Overall helping 32 39.02%
Voters: 82. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-23-2014, 01:07 PM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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Curious.
Right now I would say its more exploitation for natural resources but it is definitely a combination of both. Hopefully as time goes by China (and many other nations) will send more and more aid to Africa for humane reasons for its own sake.

One positive step is that China has joined the International anti-pirate patrols off Somalia.

Piracy in Somalia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 02-23-2014, 05:37 PM
 
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One positive step is that China has joined the International anti-pirate patrols off Somalia.

Piracy in Somalia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
That's actually kind of scary. It's evidence that China is well into development of a capable blue-water navy...something they had eschewed for 1000 years.
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Old 02-24-2014, 02:41 AM
 
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Question Who helps without expecting in return?

The question is what will the final payoff be, does anyone know?
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Old 02-24-2014, 10:01 AM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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That's actually kind of scary. It's evidence that China is well into development of a capable blue-water navy...something they had eschewed for 1000 years.
I agree with what your saying and its because no one knows what really to expect in a world with China as a world power with a major navy. But at the same time the Chinese patrols off Somalia are still a positive sign because it shows that China realizes they have a stake in the stability of the International community.
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Old 02-24-2014, 11:03 AM
 
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That's actually kind of scary. It's evidence that China is well into development of a capable blue-water navy...something they had eschewed for 1000 years.
There were no blue water navies in the world 1000 years ago. And still none 300 years ago. Most people would say that the term blue water navy describes forces that were only deployed starting in the modern (circa WWII) era.

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I agree with what your saying and its because no one knows what really to expect in a world with China as a world power with a major navy. But at the same time the Chinese patrols off Somalia are still a positive sign because it shows that China realizes they have a stake in the stability of the International community.
China has a major interest in oceanic trade. It makes sense for China to develop a sophisticated naval force to protect that interest. The major naval powers do and will continue to cooperate in certain matters (like piracy) and will certainly have conflicts (like maneuvers near disputed territory) that hopefully will not become live conflicts.
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Old 02-24-2014, 05:46 PM
 
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There were no blue water navies in the world 1000 years ago.
I was exaggerating. Six hundred years or so ago, but my point is that the Chinese abandoned the effort.

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And still none 300 years ago. Most people would say that the term blue water navy describes forces that were only deployed starting in the modern (circa WWII) era.
I would dispute that "most people" say that, and for sure most naval experts would not say that the British navy in the 1800s was not a blue water navy.

For modern navies, such attributes as aircraft carriers are arguably necessary to be defined as a "blue water navy," but it would be absurd to argue that the Victorian Navy was a "brown water" or "green water" navy even by modern standards.
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Old 03-01-2014, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA..don't go to GSU
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The die has been cast. China's first airbase in Zimbabwe.
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Old 03-01-2014, 05:25 PM
 
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The die has been cast. China's first airbase in Zimbabwe.
It might turn out to be a good news for several other african countries surrounded by french military bases.
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Old 03-15-2014, 08:13 AM
 
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It might turn out to be a good news for several other african countries surrounded by french military bases.
The French don't do anything anymore. They've lost their might since WWII. They are socialist and are mostly uninterested in anything close to exploitation.
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Old 03-15-2014, 10:59 AM
 
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The French don't do anything anymore. They've lost their might since WWII. They are socialist and are mostly uninterested in anything close to exploitation.

What would make a socialist state not interested in exploiting a weaker state?

And the Chinese are not a free market state. Economically, they are still socialist (never having reached communist any more than the USSR did), politically they are still totalitarian tending toward authoritarian.

France is neither socialist nor totalitarian or even authoritarian.
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