[Surge0001]

So I have consolidating some data and I can confirm that the Mobile/Huntsville/Birmingham areas have all been growing at essentially the same rate since the 2010 census.


Birmingham metro had a total of 24654 single family residence building permits (24812 if you include Walker) during the 2020 Census (Jan 2010-July 2020) Marking an average of 195.7 building permits per month (197 with walker)


Mobile Area had a total of 22110 building permit for 2020 Census making for 175.5 houses per month


Huntsville metro had a total of 26291 building permits (27629 with Morgan and Marshall counties) During the 2020 Census making for 208.7 building permits per month (219.3 with Morgan and Marshall Counties)


As shown the average variation among the 3 areas was only 4000 houses or 33 houses per month during the 2020 Census


Since the 2030 census (August 2020-present) the averages have skyrocketed for all 3 areas.


Birmingham metro has had 2979 buildings permits (3012 with walker) since the beginning of 2030 census or an average of 331 houses per month (a 69.1% increase)


Mobile Area is at 2770 buildings permits for 2030 census, making a monthly average of 307.8 homes, an increase of 75.4%



Huntsville has had 3370 buildings permits for 2030 census (3523 with Morgan County (Marshall county hasn't produced a house yet in the 2030 census)) making an average 374.4 house (391.4) permits per month, an increase 79.4% (78.5%, Morgan county actually brings the average down)

[MinivanDriver]

Originally Posted by Surge0001

So I have consolidating some data and I can confirm that the Mobile/Huntsville/Birmingham areas have all been growing at essentially the same rate since the 2010 census.


Birmingham metro had a total of 24654 single family residence building permits (24812 if you include Walker) during the 2020 Census (Jan 2010-July 2020) Marking an average of 195.7 building permits per month (197 with walker)


Mobile Area had a total of 22110 building permit for 2020 Census making for 175.5 houses per month


Huntsville metro had a total of 26291 building permits (27629 with Morgan and Marshall counties) During the 2020 Census making for 208.7 building permits per month (219.3 with Morgan and Marshall Counties)


As shown the average variation among the 3 areas was only 4000 houses or 33 houses per month during the 2020 Census


Since the 2030 census (August 2020-present) the averages have skyrocketed for all 3 areas.


Birmingham metro has had 2979 buildings permits (3012 with walker) since the beginning of 2030 census or an average of 331 houses per month (a 69.1% increase)


Mobile Area is at 2770 buildings permits for 2030 census, making a monthly average of 307.8 homes, an increase of 75.4%



Huntsville has had 3370 buildings permits for 2030 census (3523 with Morgan County (Marshall county hasn't produced a house yet in the 2030 census)) making an average 374.4 house (391.4) permits per month, an increase 79.4% (78.5%, Morgan county actually brings the average down)

Does that include multifamily? Because one of the interesting trends in Birmingham has been the explosion of multifamily in the CBD (The Central Business District, not the oil) and the continued move into formerly iffy neighborhoods such as Woodlawn, East Lake, and Norwood.

[Surge0001]

Originally Posted by MinivanDriver

Does that include multifamily? Because one of the interesting trends in Birmingham has been the explosion of multifamily in the CBD (The Central Business District, not the oil) and the continued move into formerly iffy neighborhoods such as Woodlawn, East Lake, and Norwood.

Nope, strictly single family, I have no way of researching apartment units made. I know one of y’all keeps up with apartments units created for the 2020 census, so feel free to tack that along, I’m curious

[MinivanDriver]

Originally Posted by Surge0001

Nope, strictly single family, I have no way of researching apartment units made. I know one of y’all keeps up with apartments units created for the 2020 census, so feel free to tack that along, I’m curious

Yeah, it's been a lot. Aside from multifamily, I think one of the features about Birmingham's development has been infill. As one example, my wife and I bought our first house in the Avondale neighborhood of Southside in 1993, back when it was considered the Wild, Wild West. Literally had bars on our windows when we moved in. Our friends were worried for our safety.

Now? Avondale is pretty much a desirable neighborhood, as is Crestwood. As a demonstration, we bought our house for $78K and, 13 years later, sold it for $285K. The reason for that is pretty straightforward. People were getting tired of schlepping it down 280 to work downtown, especially if they didn't have a need for a school system.

To build on that trend, the renovation of older homes in once neglected neighborhoods has become a real thing over the past 5 years or so. That means people aren't necessarily breaking ground, but reworking existing structures.

[Surge0001]

Originally Posted by MinivanDriver

Yeah, it's been a lot. Aside from multifamily, I think one of the features about Birmingham's development has been infill. As one example, my wife and I bought our first house in the Avondale neighborhood of Southside in 1993, back when it was considered the Wild, Wild West. Literally had bars on our windows when we moved in. Our friends were worried for our safety.

Now? Avondale is pretty much a desirable neighborhood, as is Crestwood. As a demonstration, we bought our house for $78K and, 13 years later, sold it for $285K. The reason for that is pretty straightforward. People were getting tired of schlepping it down 280 to work downtown, especially if they didn't have a need for a school system.

To build on that trend, the renovation of older homes in once neglected neighborhoods has become a real thing over the past 5 years or so. That means people aren't necessarily breaking ground, but reworking existing structures.

Very Nice, Mobile's the same way. At the current city limits, there isn't much more room for new subdivisions, but there's plenty of room for infill and flipping houses, both of which are getting pretty common nowadays in the city (especially in the poorer regions of Mobile), which I'm very glad to see.

[RocketDawg]

Originally Posted by Surge0001

So I have consolidating some data and I can confirm that the Mobile/Huntsville/Birmingham areas have all been growing at essentially the same rate since the 2010 census.


Birmingham metro had a total of 24654 single family residence building permits (24812 if you include Walker) during the 2020 Census (Jan 2010-July 2020) Marking an average of 195.7 building permits per month (197 with walker)


Mobile Area had a total of 22110 building permit for 2020 Census making for 175.5 houses per month


Huntsville metro had a total of 26291 building permits (27629 with Morgan and Marshall counties) During the 2020 Census making for 208.7 building permits per month (219.3 with Morgan and Marshall Counties)


As shown the average variation among the 3 areas was only 4000 houses or 33 houses per month during the 2020 Census


Since the 2030 census (August 2020-present) the averages have skyrocketed for all 3 areas.


Birmingham metro has had 2979 buildings permits (3012 with walker) since the beginning of 2030 census or an average of 331 houses per month (a 69.1% increase)


Mobile Area is at 2770 buildings permits for 2030 census, making a monthly average of 307.8 homes, an increase of 75.4%



Huntsville has had 3370 buildings permits for 2030 census (3523 with Morgan County (Marshall county hasn't produced a house yet in the 2030 census)) making an average 374.4 house (391.4) permits per month, an increase 79.4% (78.5%, Morgan county actually brings the average down)

When you say "for the 2030 census", do you mean permits thus far in 2021 that will count in the 10-year total for the 2030 census?

[RocketDawg]

Since the 2020 census results won't be released until about 18 months after the data was taken, the numbers won't be meaningless but they'll mean less since so much has happened all over the state (and presumably the country) and the numbers will be "old". You'd think they could at least release major city populations within a couple months of the end of the census snapshot date. We don't need to know specific demographics right away.

[RocketDawg]

Originally Posted by Surge0001

Nope, strictly single family, I have no way of researching apartment units made. I know one of y’all keeps up with apartments units created for the 2020 census, so feel free to tack that along, I’m curious

The numbers for single family and multiple family, as well as commercial, permits are available for Huntsville (not sure if it's just the city or all of Madison County, but probably just the city since it comes out of a city department) here: https://maps.huntsvilleal.gov/permitstats/ Numbers are updated weekly.

[RocketDawg]

Originally Posted by MinivanDriver

Yeah, it's been a lot. Aside from multifamily, I think one of the features about Birmingham's development has been infill. As one example, my wife and I bought our first house in the Avondale neighborhood of Southside in 1993, back when it was considered the Wild, Wild West. Literally had bars on our windows when we moved in. Our friends were worried for our safety.

Now? Avondale is pretty much a desirable neighborhood, as is Crestwood. As a demonstration, we bought our house for $78K and, 13 years later, sold it for $285K. The reason for that is pretty straightforward. People were getting tired of schlepping it down 280 to work downtown, especially if they didn't have a need for a school system.

To build on that trend, the renovation of older homes in once neglected neighborhoods has become a real thing over the past 5 years or so. That means people aren't necessarily breaking ground, but reworking existing structures.

There doesn't seem to be much of that here, except in Five Points, the "trendy" part of town. People are just buying an old house for the lot, tearing the house down, and building a new one.

[TimCity2000]

Originally Posted by RocketDawg

There doesn't seem to be much of that here, except in Five Points, the "trendy" part of town. People are just buying an old house for the lot, tearing the house down, and building a new one.

this is primarily what you see in Mountain Brook and Homewood. probably because both are highly desirable, but are basically landlocked and mostly built out.