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So from safest to least safe, there are the nice neighbourhoods in the US (safest), the nice neighbourhoods in Argentina (in the middle), and the bad neighbourhoods in both the US and Argentina (least safe)?
Yes.
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Originally Posted by yofie
Is that because a) the police in middle/upper class areas of the US are much more trustworthy and corruption-free than in lower class areas of the US and in areas of any socioeconomic type in Argentina and b) there are more shantytowns and squatter settlements in Argentina than in the US?
I wouldn't say those are key factors. I think it's largely because crime is just that much more pervasive, and yes, I believe it's a cultural issue. I think police distrust/corruption does lead to a lot of non-reporting though, which tells me that the crime problem in Argentina is likely even worse than the statistics would indicate.
Here, you're talking just about the present. But I don't know if you were around in the 1970s in the US (or if someone old enough to remember those days told you tales of crime dangers in New York City at that point), in order to properly compare 1970s NYC with present-day Buenos Aires? (At any rate, how old are you now?)
I'm in my mid 40s so I was a child through the 70s. As I understand it though, the crime in NYC at that time was pretty much limited to the inner city. How bad was it in the suburbs, an hour or more from downtown? That's the difference.
Yes.I wouldn't say those are key factors. I think it's largely because crime is just that much more pervasive, and yes, I believe it's a cultural issue. I think police distrust/corruption does lead to a lot of non-reporting though, which tells me that the crime problem in Argentina is likely even worse than the statistics would indicate.
So why would crime be much more pervasive in a place like Argentina than the US - because Argentine criminals don't sense as much of an effective police presence in many spots as their American counterparts do?
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Originally Posted by The Mysterious Benefactor
I'm in my mid 40s so I was a child through the 70s. As I understand it though, the crime in NYC at that time was pretty much limited to the inner city. How bad was it in the suburbs, an hour or more from downtown? That's the difference.
I mean that within NYC, crime was not limited to the bad neighbourhoods. It affected as well, as I understand, the nice areas within NYC (e.g. Upper West Side and Columbia Univ.), though not in the suburbs in Long Island, New Jersey, Westchester, etc.
So why would crime be much more pervasive in a place like Argentina than the US - because Argentine criminals don't sense as much of an effective police presence in many spots as their American counterparts do?
I mean that within NYC, crime was not limited to the bad neighbourhoods. It affected as well, as I understand, the nice areas within NYC (e.g. Upper West Side and Columbia Univ.), though not in the suburbs in Long Island, New Jersey, Westchester, etc.
Crime affected mice neighborhoods because criminals would jump over the turnstiles and get in the trains for free. In order to take the train to the suburbs, you have to get in the train where a conductor checks your ticket to see if it's valid. Sontge homeless and petty criminals didn't have easy access to the suburbs like they did nice areas. Times Square was full of hookers and junkies until the 90s. With that said New York st it's worst always had a sizable population of white people from wealthy to working class, so I'm not sure inner city ever actually applied.
And today NYC has few all one race neighborhoods. It's not Chicago or Detroit. Immigration and gentrification have changed the dynamics.
I'm in my mid 40s so I was a child through the 70s. As I understand it though, the crime in NYC at that time was pretty much limited to the inner city. How bad was it in the suburbs, an hour or more from downtown? That's the difference.
NYC is huge so many areas an hour or so from downtown are a part of the city proper. The Bronx is one hour away from downtown Manhattan. The Bronx was literally burning as landlords got rid of tenants who couldn't pay by burning buildings for the first insurance money. Jamaica, Queens and Far Rockaway became awful as slum clearance in Manhattan dumped poor people in communities an hour or so from Manhattan. Coney Island, Brooklyn was pretty awful too.
NYC had and still has some high crime suburbs like Newark. I would point out not all of NYC's suburbs are affluent.
Yes.I wouldn't say those are key factors. I think it's largely because crime is just that much more pervasive, and yes, I believe it's a cultural issue. I think police distrust/corruption does lead to a lot of non-reporting though, which tells me that the crime problem in Argentina is likely even worse than the statistics would indicate.
We're you personally the victim of crime in Argentina? Are you still there? How long did you stay there and why stay in a place you feel uncomfortable in!
So why would crime be much more pervasive in a place like Argentina than the US - because Argentine criminals don't sense as much of an effective police presence in many spots as their American counterparts do?
Again, I don't think it's a matter of policing, I believe it's a cultural and race issue.
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Originally Posted by yofie
I mean that within NYC, crime was not limited to the bad neighbourhoods. It affected as well, as I understand, the nice areas within NYC (e.g. Upper West Side and Columbia Univ.), though not in the suburbs in Long Island, New Jersey, Westchester, etc.
I was speaking of the more affluent suburbs. I don't think they were being plagued with the amount of crime, even in the 70s, as similar neighborhoods in BA today.
We're you personally the victim of crime in Argentina? Are you still there? How long did you stay there and why stay in a place you feel uncomfortable in!
I've not been victimized myself, but virtually everyone I know has. I've been here for almost 3 years now, and I'm not uncomfortable. I live in a smaller city now, and among other reasons, the crime problem is why I'd never live in BA again, or any of the larger cities. Despite the problems, I happen to like it here.
And the last part of your question reveals not only naivete, but a complete lack of understanding of the problem. You seem to think that mobility is nothing but a matter of choice. That's like asking someone "Hey, if you don't like the traffic in LA or the summers in Houston, why do you stay there?" You need to realize that Argentines have accepted that crime and the fear of it are just part of their daily lives. It's all many have known.
Please elaborate on that further, other than that it's largely mestizo-on-white or poor white-on-rich white.
Well, I don't consider Argentines "white". In order for me to elaborate, as we were in danger of doing earlier, we would have to veer well off-topic.
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