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Old 10-15-2010, 04:11 PM
 
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I would vote "no" if I owned the local Budweiser distributorship. I would vote "no" if I had a lot of money in big pharma stocks.

 
Old 10-15-2010, 08:32 PM
 
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Interesting post. My dad in California died of cancer in 2000. When he was diagnosed with 6 months to live, I told him if he wants to use marijuana I'd find some for him. I did not realize at the time California had a medicinal marijuana law that was effective back in 1996.

Anyhow my dad opted for the morphine instead. I think he was conservative until the last couple of weeks when he was really incoherent. It was his choice though. The morphine probably helped in its own way for him to forget the pain.

Personally I don't vote. I gave up on politics. I don't think anyone should even have to seek permission from a gang of thugs calling themselves "government" to ingest, inhale, shoot up, or consume whatever they want. If they want it, go ahead and do it. Don't tell the world though.

Personally I'm into the harder drug that has been known to kill the host if consumed in large enough quantities - alcoholic drinks. Funny though that I can say that and get away with it without having cops come to my door. But the much less harmless drug known as marijuana has gotten people locked away or labeled felons just for consuming it. The cops and government destroyed many people's lives.

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Just curious but I would like to hear from those who will vote against or are against the Arizona proposition favoring medical marijuana. I'm not here to argue, I just want to know the opposing arguments. The reason I'm voting for it is because I'm a physician who has taken care of cancer patients and people with terminal illnesses. I've personally seen how marijuana benefits these people and increases their appetite, improves their mood and reduces their pain much moreso than medication like Megestrol (improves appetite) or opioids. These patients are doing marijuana anyway except they have to pay a lot of money for it and people in these conditions don't have a lot of money since they've spent so much on their medical bills. I voted in support of it.

I won't respond to any of the responses to keep my promise that I'm not here to argue. Would just like to listen to the reasoning opposing it?
 
Old 10-15-2010, 08:36 PM
 
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Back around that time (1974) I went bowling with some other high school boy and he scored a 180 after smoking pot. He normally scored as low as I did - in the 60s - boy, whas I uncoordinated!

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So what if the "druggies" can gain access to more pot? Can't the "alkies" pick up their rotgut on every corner? Then drive their cars & kill innocent people?

I have been in severe pain for 'bout 28 years. Taken tons of percocet, vicodin, (sorry about the spellings,) 'til the old gut is riddled. These drugs are great for sometimes killing pain but the side effects are horrendous. I would love to try one of God's natural substances for a change & not pay $$$$ to greedy pharmacudical co's.

Used to smoke pot for about 30 yrs.,, way back in the 60's, 70's, and eighties. (Had good smoke back then. Ann Landers is a liar) Why am I not a heroin or crack addict? I just quit when it began to affect my lungs. Just walked away & never missed it.

As for those who say pot smokers drive dangerously pick up the August '74 issue of Car & Driver magazine. In it they test 3 professional stunt drivers - have them drive straight, after smoking a joint, then completely stoned. The results? The higher they were the better they drove! Shot that old government lie right in the eye!!!The magazines conclusion? That pot does not adversly affect preformance but it sometimes actually enhances it!!!! Try that test in these paranoia fuel days.

 
Old 10-15-2010, 08:52 PM
 
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It's all a moot point people!

The federal law prevails and they have made it perfectly clear they will go into any state and prosecute under federal drug laws.

Now you can rant and rave about Washington. Gee, that would be unique on this site.
 
Old 10-15-2010, 08:59 PM
 
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It's all a moot point people!
It's not. Out of the thousands of people in CA, Co, and the 10 other states with the MM law how many of them have been busted? States rights?!
 
Old 10-15-2010, 09:23 PM
 
Location: Anchored in Phoenix
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In many cases of civil disobedience, the disobeyers amount to such a huge amount of numbers that there is no way they'd fit in the prisons, and the cost/benefit analysis of creating too many felons will backfire and ostracize a lot of good citizens. Not enough people remaining to work the aisles of Wal-Mart or flip the burgers.

Henry David Thoreau ("The government that governs best governs least") is worthwhile reading on the subject of civil disobedience. And of course Ghandi. One of Thoreau's lesser known contemporaries, but even more profound, is the late great Lysander Spooner. In modern times the writings of Harry Browne are complementary.

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It's not. Out of the thousands of people in CA, Co, and the 10 other states with the MM law how many of them have been busted? States rights?!
 
Old 10-16-2010, 08:39 AM
 
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You mean we will get road blocks for "high" drivers now too! Yay!

I personally think legalizing Marijoe goes along perfectly with our new gun laws!

Maybe we can bring back opium dens too! I know most Narcoleps wish speed and cocaine would be prescribed as well, and hey, why not!

I know several people addicted to pain meds, I don't see much of a difference. Prescribed or not, legal or not, doesn't really matter.

It won't stop the Cartel, or any other illegal groups, they will just start selling child porn instead, their business is in "illegal" traffic, there is a lot of options there.

Just my 2 cents!

My dad did the Morphine too, it sucked! Death sucks! I'd give a dying man anything he so desired!

I would vote to legalize it, just to free up the prisons but, I would worry about stoned drivers as much as I worry about drunk ones. Plus, like I said other illnesses call for other illegal drugs to be legalized, just like they say, if you start smoking pot, other drugs will follow. Others will want more legalized.

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Old 10-16-2010, 08:49 AM
 
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I've said before, if the FDA were to approve and regulate it, drug companies grow/manufacture it, doctors prescribe it, and drug stores (like Walgreens) sold it, then I'd say "yes" to medical pot. (And the fact is they do this already, in a pill form.)
But like all presciption drugs, it must be regulated by the FDA. As much as I am for states rights, I don't think it's good or safe to circumvent the system already in place for this. Right now, the FDA apparently believes that it is not "safe" or "worth the risks". Considering the drugs that are legal, that says a lot (at least to me).
 
Old 10-16-2010, 08:58 AM
 
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I've said before, if the FDA were to approve and regulate it, drug companies grow/manufacture it, doctors prescribe it, and drug stores (like Walgreens) sold it, then I'd say "yes" to medical pot. (And the fact is they do this already, in a pill form.)
But like all presciption drugs, it must be regulated by the FDA. As much as I am for states rights, I don't think it's good or safe to circumvent the system already in place for this. Right now, the FDA apparently believes that it is not "safe" or "worth the risks". Considering the drugs that are legal, that says a lot (at least to me).
Yea, that is a good point, especially since they let almost anything pass. If they don't, I'd be worried too!
I mean, cigarettes are legal, I'm surprised they won't let pot through. Yikes!
 
Old 10-16-2010, 09:54 AM
 
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If you think about it, drug use is not tolerated in a great deal of job situations. At the least, the employee is required to go through rehabilitation. Repeated transgressions result in being fired. Airline pilots, truck drivers, other transportation industry employees, national defense employees, and so on.

So I have severe doubts that if on Monday illegal drugs became legal, there would be a significant increase in DUIs. In my case I fear the random drug tests, so I don't go for it.

Maybe in my late 60s I would take up living in Mendocino and listen to 60s music and smoke what I harvest. I certainly have no desire for pot and particularly anything else other than beer, margaritas, an occasional martini, and wine in my early 50s.



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I would vote to legalize it, just to free up the prisons but, I would worry about stoned drivers as much as I worry about drunk ones. Plus, like I said other illnesses call for other illegal drugs to be legalized, just like they say, if you start smoking pot, other drugs will follow. Others will want more legalized.
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