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Religion exists!
It is God the non-existent one, not the religion.
Well… agnostics!!
Yes,yes, cheap semantic technical point scored. Enjoy it while you can. There won't me many of them.
Of course atheists do not say that there is no religion. Religion exists as a subject as fairies and orcs exist as characters in books. Atheists do not believe in the validity and claims of religion, and dtango knows this well enough. The point of a one -line rejoinder is, like a one line joke, to get the response quick before you lose the audience. With a biased audience, you have about two -three seconds to get the point across before the shutters come down.
One point scored is one point scored and you know by now that I would attack agnostics when and where the occasion arises.
The point here, however, is atheism as a faith. Do you regard it, as of course I do, as your faith or not?
Let me guess….
You do not! If you did you would have to be faithful to it and your agnosticism won’t let you.
Another point is: do you think atheism has political implications? I mean do you think that one can be at the same time an atheist and a right wing extremist?
Do you agree that theists and anti-theists have been two political parties from time immemorial?
Despite what many claim, it's absolutely a faith! It's a clinging many times to science and what can be seen or proven as fact. But for many of it's followers it leaves very little room for what can't be seen. I'm not saying that's for everyone. With all things there's exceptions (spiritual atheism as an example). But it's a faith imo.
I disagree.
What "followers" of atheism?
There's absolutely nothing to follow.
Your post makes no sense.
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I suggest the following answer to that Dr. Laura’s answer:
“I believe what the data lead me to believe”
Examining the data available for the God issue won’t be to the liking of any believer.
Atheism (not so agnosticism) is a faith, but not in a religious sense (after all, all “isms” have to do with faith too).
Despite what many claim, it's absolutely a faith! It's a clinging many times to science and what can be seen or proven as fact.
faith is not needed when there is evidence.
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But for many of it's followers it leaves very little room for what can't be seen.
Followers? What followers? What is there to follow? Do you not understand that atheism simply means we do not believe in any higher power?
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I'm not saying that's for everyone. With all things there's exceptions (spiritual atheism as an example). But it's a faith imo.
Well your opinion is worthless since you do not even know what atheism is....I repeat, atheism simply means we do not believe in any higher power. Believing in gods takes faith...Faith is firm belief in something for which there is no tangible proof.
As an atheist I have found that while it is all well and good to look down on religion, it is becoming more and more evident that there is a vocal minority (well i hope it's a minority!) of atheists who seem to have just chosen to be atheist without any actual reasoning or reason to do so.
What i mean is they are atheist not because they feel strongly in the concept and ideals but because it was a coin toss.
They will be quick to rant and rave "it's science!" but have no actual experience in observation and accept the opinions of others with as much belief as if their were fundamentalists standing before a preacher.
Anyone else experience this?
Yes, there is a growing body of sociological evidence on this sort of thing. There was a documentary on this I watched a while back, but alas I can't remember it's name. It compared Richard Dawkins to a fundamentalist preacher, atheists became outraged (self fulfilling prophecy anyone)
So tell me how is not believing something a faith?
I said I have a faith. I didn’t say I do not believe.
I actually, honestly and truly believe that God is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.
Yes, there is a growing body of sociological evidence on this sort of thing. There was a documentary on this I watched a while back, but alas I can't remember it's name. It compared Richard Dawkins to a fundamentalist preacher, atheists became outraged (self fulfilling prophecy anyone)
I think you mean Peter Higgs criticises Richard Dawkins over anti-religious 'fundamentalism'.
It is quite funny to accuse Dawkins, an agnostic, for being an atheistic fundamentalist but Higgs is a believer, he believes that science and religion should conciliate and therefore it is rather natural to regard an agnostic as a fundamentalist atheist.
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